Army Men Project

I heard a great story on NPR this morning about the Army Men Project.

We

20 Comments so far

  1. nikkos (unregistered) on November 8th, 2005 @ 4:37 pm

    This is really interesting, thanks Lauren!

    Too bad nobody makes little plastic civilians too.


  2. Ben (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 12:10 pm

    I’m pretty sure everyone is aware of the horrors of the war in Iraq, so placing plastic Army Men in various places would be pointless.

    Maybe instead, you should place plastic schools, hospitals, shopping centers, etc, around so people would realize that those institutions are being brought back to a country whose citizens were treated inhumanely for years.

    I doubt many people realize that there are positive things happening in Iraq due to the MSM’s avoidance and the whole “I HATE BUSH” crowd.

    It would be nice if liberals and Democrats could atleast see and acknowledge the positives.

    However, I doubt that will happen.


  3. Gabe (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 12:45 pm

    Well said Ben. About time our troops were recognized for some of the positive things that are happening there.

    I agree that spreading them around is pointless. I do agree that people forget about what is happening there and this is a **gentle reminder** but there is no way in hell some little green plastic guys are gonna bring our troops home. I would actually be willing to spread these guys around but for a completely different reason which is to make people aware that our troops are still there and they need our support; not some attempt to vilify their actions in Iraq or our president.

    I’m really sick of the “I hate Bush” crowd that wants to shoot down everything he does. If Bush did it, it was either done wrong or it was a complete debacle. If it was done by a democrat, then it was perfect even though it was exactly the same thing as what Bush did. Enough with the double standard.

    Anyway, cool idea but wrong reason for doing it (IMO).


  4. Elizabeth (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 1:13 pm

    Well, golly gee, Ben, you’re right. As a liberal democrat, I must admit that I have not been touting all of the positive things going on in Iraq. Like taking an evil dictator out of power and pursuing democracy for an oppressed people. Of course, the cost of doing those lovely things is the compromised ethics of the American people, a growing hatred for our country around the world, the deaths of thousands of innocent people, and an ever growing crippling American debt. Not to mention that by invading this country and torturing it’s citizens and forcing our version of democracy on them, we’ve created a hot bed of terrorist sympathizers.

    But hey, let’s look on the bright side.

    And please, people — don’t give out plastic anythings — we need far too badly the petroleum that goes into making them.


  5. Ben (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 2:17 pm

    Liz-

    What are the compromised ethics that you speak of?

    In regards to the “growing hatred for our country around the world” – that doesn’t bother me very much because I am confident that the United States is undertaking a very noble and moral mission, albeit a very difficult one. It’s not OUR morality that should be called into question. Who cares if Euro-weenies like France and Germany don’t like us. So many of the countries opposed to the war were taking bribes from Hussein anyways….Oil for Food Scandal ring a bell?

    Not sure how many civilian deaths there are, but I agree that it would be great if there were none. War sucks. People die. But don’t blame the people who are trying to help. Why is there no blame placed on Saddam Hussein for putting his people’s lives in jeopardy. No one complained when Hussein gassed thousands of Kurds or killed, tortured and raped his own people. People only complain when Americans try to save those people and innocents get killed. That vision lacks moral clarity.

    As far as the debt goes, I agree again. But, national security is an actual responsibility of our government. All the ridiculous pork projects, government programs, etc, are what need to be eliminated.

    Who is being tortured?

    We’re not forcing our version of democracy on them. They wrote their own constitution and are having their own elections.


  6. Right Side of the Brain (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 5:05 pm

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  7. Anthony (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 5:17 pm

    Why don’t you start planting little red communist flags all over the country to remind us that 99% of the anti-war demonstrations are funded, organized and populated by “leftist” groups and do not represent every-day Americans.

    If this was World War 2 you would have called for the US to pull out of Germany and Japan as well.

    Or… why don’t you plant little Kurdish flags all over so that people can remember that over 50% of Iraqi’s are actually thankul (minus the Sunni and Saudi terrorists) that we are there and are looking forward to their Constitutional Democracy.


  8. rightsideofthebrain (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 5:22 pm

    Whose side are you on Anthony? Kurds, Iraqi, Irani, Shia, Sunny- they all look the same to me. Don’t come bringing your commie crap here, this is America.


  9. steven (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 6:15 pm

    If what they’re doing with the lil green army men makes someone stop and think, “Oh yeah, shit, we’re at war”, it’s a good thing. Media tends to let it slide off the board, a sidenote instead of a headline. It’s up to the independent press and involved citizens to step up and bring these issues to the front of the public conscience.


  10. Gabe (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 6:43 pm

    Very well put Steve and that’s what I was trying to get across about my reasons for putting them out. It wasn’t to say that we need to bring them home but to get people to remember that they are there.

    Ben, in response to your question about torture, let’s not forget abu graeb (sp?). The pictures showed that it was happening. Not our finest moment but I also point out that for every abu graeb photo, I bet I could find a photo showing some deed of kindness being done by our troops.

    About democracy, I agree that we’re not forcing our democracy on them. We’ve handed them a plan on how to carry out a democracy and they ran with it. They ran right to the polls as…what was it? 90% turned out for the elections. **insert sarcasm here** Yeah, we forced democracy on them. We forced them to go to the polls and vote despite threats from terrorists.


  11. Ben (unregistered) on November 9th, 2005 @ 6:55 pm

    RIGHTSIDEOFTHEBRAIN-

    Call me crazy, but I sense a bit of sarcasm in your post. Maybe you can clarify a few questions I have.

    By resubjugate, do you mean making it possible for people to actually vote for the leaders of their country?

    In regards to what our service(men)(women) are doing, what pictures have you seen that make you want to vomit in terror?

    Of course the Constitution was meant to be taken seriously. Obviously, it wasn’t perfect…that’s why they included the possibility for amendments. Judging by your comments, you don’t have a solid grasp on the Constitution.

    I’m not Christian. Actually I’m not religious at all, but I do see the importance of religion.

    As for Steven-

    You don’t think the media mentions the war? That’s absurd. Every car bomb that goes off is mentioned. Every front page, second page, third page, etc, story is about negatives in Iraq. Take your head out of the sand.


  12. Elizabeth (unregistered) on November 10th, 2005 @ 2:35 pm

    Who is being tortured? Is that a joke?

    Prisoner deaths investigated as involving criminal homicide or abuse by U.S. personnel:

    _Mohammed Sayari, Afghanistan, April 28, 2002.

    _Mullah Habibullah, about 28, Bagram, Afghanistan, Dec. 3, 2002. Sgt. James P. Boland, 377th Military Police Company, charged with dereliction of duty; more charges possible against others.

    _Dilawar, 22, Bagram, Dec. 10, 2002. Pfc. Willie V. Brand, 377th Military Police Company, charged with manslaughter, according to documents obtained by Human Rights Watch. Boland charged with dereliction, assault and maltreatment, more charges possible against others.

    _Unidentified person, Wazi Village, Afghanistan, January 2003. Under investigation.

    _Jamal Naseer, 18, Gardez, Afghanistan, March 2003. Under investigation.

    _Unidentified person, Camp Bucca, Iraq, May 12, 2003. Soldier reprimanded for not using warning shots before killing someone trying to enter the camp.

    _Abdul Wali, 28, Asadabad, Afghanistan, June 2, 2003. CIA contractor David Passaro charged with assault.

    _Dilar Dababa, Baghdad, June 13, 2003. Died of head injury. USA Today reported he died during interrogation.

    _Obeed Hethere Radad, Tikrit, Iraq, Sept. 11, 2003. Soldier discharged for voluntary manslaughter for not warning escaping prisoner before shooting him.

    _Manadel al-Jamadi, Abu Ghraib, Iraq, Nov. 4, 2003. Died during interrogation. Several Navy SEALs charged; and two CIA personnel under investigation.

    _Abdul Wahid, Helmand province, Afghanistan, Nov. 6, 2003. Badly wounded man dies in U.S. custody. No U.S. charges The Denver Post reported he died at interrogation facility while shackled and gagged.

    _Muhamad Husain Kadir, Taal Al Jal, Iraq, Feb. 28, 2004. Pfc. Edward Richmond, 25th Infantry Division, received three years in prison for voluntary manslaughter.

    _Karim Hassan, 36, Kufa, Iraq, May 21, 2004. Capt. Rogelio Maynulet, 1st Armored Division, facing court-martial over what he described as mercy killing of wounded Iraq militiaman.

    _Nagem Sadoon Hatab, 52, June 6, 2003, Nasiriyah, Iraq. Marine said to accidentally break his neck. His boss, Marine Maj. Clarke Paulus, convicted of maltreatment and dereliction and dismissed from military. A sergeant received 60 days hard labor in a case related to Hatab investigation. Navy says investigation still open.

    There


  13. nikkos (unregistered) on November 10th, 2005 @ 3:09 pm

    Wow, Elizabeth, you kicked his fucking ass. Preach it!


  14. Ben (unregistered) on November 10th, 2005 @ 3:27 pm

    ELIZABETH


  15. spudart (unregistered) on November 11th, 2005 @ 12:50 pm

    how about leaving peace nickels around the city?


  16. Elizabeth (unregistered) on November 11th, 2005 @ 12:56 pm

    Terrorists caught on the battlefield, huh? There you go, Ben, convicting people who never stood trial. I despise terrorists. I resent the implication that Democrats are soft on terror. We’re not. Apparently, Republicans are soft on Human Rights.

    You said that torture needs to be defined. Well, you weren’t alone in that thought. There were a series of memos written by top officials in the Bush administration- namely Alberto Gonzalez – that set out to do just that, define torture.

    Believe it or not, that’s how we got into this mess. Because they defined torture as something “akin to organ failure”. But as anyone with half a brain who has seen an episode of Alias can figure out — there are plenty of torture methods which don’t result in anything like organ failure. A few good examples include cutting off fingers, ripping out hair, breaking bones, and pulling out teeth. I don’t think anyone could say that those things don’t qualify as torture.

    Putting dirty underwear on a prisoner’s head and leading them around naked on a dog leash is not torture, at least not as I define it. It is gross maltreatment. I thought you wanted to liberate these people. But now you’re okay with them being treated like animals by their “liberators”?

    It has long been said that you can judge a person’s character not by how he treats his superiors, but by how he treats the least among us. Prisoners, for example.

    “Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me.” Three guesses who said that.

    I find myself confused. Do you think these people have a right to life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Or do you think it’s okay to put underwear on their heads and treat them like dogs?

    By the way — if you please — leave my name and my panties out of this. Perhaps our political debates get nasty, but I’d like to think I’m not making this personal. You are.


  17. Ben (unregistered) on November 11th, 2005 @ 4:02 pm

    I’m not making it personal. It’s called a joke. Lighten up…

    First off, I think you’re getting the terrorists confused with innocent civilians. When someone is caught on the battlefield trying to kill Americans and Iraqi’s, they’re not innocent civilians, they are attempting to be murderers. Yes, I think it would be great to liberate the innocent people who want to live in peace with their fellow citizens. As for the others who go around killing people at funerals, in schools, etc, they should be killed.

    You don’t think Democrats are soft on terror? All Democrats want to do is “talk about it.” You can’t negotiate with terrorists and murderers. It’s been proven MANY times throughout history. Why is the Left so blind to that fact? Not soft on terror…what do you call the Clinton years?

    BTW, I don’t watch Alias. Not sure what you’re talking about.


  18. Marty (unregistered) on November 13th, 2005 @ 1:38 pm

    I’m just going to respond to Ben’s last post.

    Now, let’s say you, like the Secretary of State’s office, classify the various flavors of the IRA as a terrorist organization. How did the peace accord come about? Oh, that’s right, when Maggie Thatcher left, and honest discourse about the status of Northern Ireland began. That is what history proved Ben.

    Secondly, you really need to do more fact checking on the Iraqi constitution. It is not this glorious document that is going to solve all the woes of Iraq. It’s not even complete. IT does not deal with questions of Federalism, nor does it deal with Oil sharing revenues

    Also, I would like to hear what a “Conservative” would have to say about what Bush has done wrong–however, that’s a post for a different day.


  19. Ben (unregistered) on November 13th, 2005 @ 3:32 pm

    I don’t know much about the IRA. But yeah, you’re right. Now that I think about it, we stopped Hitler by sitting down and talking with him, didn’t we? Appeasement doesn’t work…just ask the French. If you think you can sit down and rationalize with people who cut heads off, shoot children in the back and blow up their fellow citizens at wedding and funerals, then you’re playing right into the terrorist hands. Just look at the situation with the Israelis when they packed up a month ago. Did the violence stop? NO.

    I never said the Constitution would solve all the woes of Iraq. To think so, would be ridiculous. The point is that their Constitution is a document written and approved by the people of the country. They actually have a voice. Which is what they were lacking under Saddam Hussein. It won’t be perfect, but it gives people an opportunity. The plight of the Iraqi’s could never improve if they were forever held down by a tyrannical dictator.

    As for your point about Conservatives not criticizing Bush – it happens a lot. Here are a few areas where I think he’s not doing well.

    1. He is doing a horrible job on immigration. There is no way he should still be allowing so many illegal immigrants to come to the US. That is pathetic.

    2. Domestic spending. Bush needs to remove his veto pen from it’s wrapper and start shooting down spending bills. Republicans are just as bad as Democrats these days.

    3. He needs to communicate better. For example, on energy. Bush needs to explain that the reason why gas prices are so high is because of environmentalists. They refuse to let refineries be built, they demand 40+ different grades of gasoline be produced and they won’t let any drilling take place in ANWR. He needs to explain that Democrats complain about relying on foreign oil, but WILL NOT allow us to become more self sufficient.

    There you go Marty. Trust me, I’m not all that happy with Bush – but it’s really annoying when people try to say that he lied to take us to war or that we need to sit down and talk with the terrorists. Anyone who thinks those things is so blinded with hatred of George Bush that they have lost the ability to think rationally. There are so many other problems to deal with in this country, that we shouldn’t be going back over things that have already been settled.


  20. Jeri (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2005 @ 5:28 pm

    Well, Its a little later in the month now- and more information has been brought to light…. anyone want to change their mind about speaking their mind and using little green army men to do it? I hope so! It is only a matter of time before all comes to light. I just hope that another thousand people don’t have to die- and you know what? As Americans on the street we have not suffered at all during this war- we have not sacrificed a thing- perhaps a few more cents to fill our gas tanks? Lets think about folks on both sides that are giving their lives- we need a plan- the plan should not include more death and destruction….. the world is watching



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