Pass the Ammo!

I know guns are bad and that in fact, guns do kill people; I don’t think guns in the home are ever a good idea. Nor do I think you need a semi-automatic to hunt deer, Ted Nugent notwithstanding. But… I do loves me some shootin’!

So I’ve found a place in Des Plaines called Maxon Shooters that has an indoor range that I think I’ll check out. Anyone been there? Or anyone know of any other ranges in the greater Chicagoland area? I’d be especially interested in a rifle range as well.

And yes, I’m fully cognizant of the irony of being an outspoken liberal in favor of gun control who also likes to shoot. People are strange, get over it.

23 Comments so far

  1. Joseph J. Finn (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 7:44 am

    I don’t think there’s any contradiction between being in favor of gun control and liking to target shoot; after all, I’m also in favor of car licensing and safety regulations, and I like to drive.

    Maxon Shooters is a pretty good place; knowledgeable staff, reasonable ammo prices and good gun rentals. Just maake double-sure you have your FOID card before you go in – they’re very responsible about checking.


  2. nikkos (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 8:43 am

    Yeah, I’ve been there. Not bad as far as a mom and pop style gun store and shooting range. Pistols and shotguns only on the range, I believe- no rifles for a small indoor range like this. You or someone in your party will need a FOID card. They will also rent you a pistol for use on the range at what I remember was a reasonable price.

    Enjoy!


  3. Danny Doom (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 10:14 am

    Just curious, are you a member of the NRA? This question is for anyone.


  4. Dave! (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 10:18 am

    No… I’m not. I believe in the 2nd Amendment and I think gun safety programs are a good idea, but I think that there are legitimate restrictions that can be placed on firearm ownership that are still Constitutional, so I don’t/can’t/won’t support the NRA agenda.

    I am, for the record, a card carrying member of the ACLU. Well, okay, I don’t _carry_ my card… :)


  5. nikkos (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 10:23 am

    No, I am not a member of the NRA. I do not own any firearms. I do not have a FOID card.

    However, as a native of the great state of Kentucky, I learned how to safely use and respect firearms long before I was aware of any political implications to gun ownership and enjoyment.


  6. Will (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 11:30 am

    Without making this a blanket statement about the nature of governmental gun control, let me say this: No form of gun control will ever be more effective than responsible decision-making at the level of the individual citizen.

    Put another way, I think the gun-control debate is regularly and terribly stymied by the confusion of gun ownership and recreational usage with fanatical lunacy. The comments above, I think, demonstrate that firing guns is not a sign of militant mania or bloodlust.

    One of the key behaviors that keeps me from identifying myself as a liberal (to myself and others) is the way in which screaming activists villify anyone who touches a gun as a gun-nut. Fully 50% of the blame for the failure of the gun-control debate as a debate falls on each side’s loud-mouthed extemists. Liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, they hollar and yawp so loud you can’t even hear the report of rifle rounds fired by the thousands of responsible gun owners in between them.


  7. Cory (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 12:46 pm

    While people seem always ready to have opinions on gun control, I find it rare that people have actually examined the respected literature on the issue. Offhand, I can suggest two books that examine the effectiveness of gun control and discuss what we should and should not implement:

    “Can Gun Control Work?” by James B. Jacobs, Warren E. Burger Professor of Law and Director of the Center for Research in Crime and Justice at New York University.

    “Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control” by Gary Kleck, Professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University.

    The first book is more focused on policy and is therefore an easier read. It does contain errors, such as referring to Bellesiles discredited book “Arming America,” but it still presents a decently accurate perspective on the effectiveness of gun control and what policies may therefore be appropriate.

    Kleck’s book is more focused on the statistical use of firearms and the effect of gun control. Kleck is pretty much a left-winger (life long Democrat, member of ACLU and Amnesty Int’l), but his research shows that many of the assumptions people make about gun control are wrong, and further that most gun control aimed at prohibiting the use of certain types of firearms would be harmful or ineffective. The first chapter of this book is worth reading alone, since Kleck ably explains many of the defects made in most gun control arguments by either side.

    Finally, I am a member of the NRA. Sadly, this fact is often used by gun control advocates as an attempted means to discredit a speaker. Apparently, membership in a political and social organization means that I must blindly accept every position of the organization. What utter nonsense. Does anyone do the same in the Democratic or Republican Party? Of course not. Since I believe that the gun control policies advocated by politically active gun control groups are harmful and misguided, I’ve chosen to ally with the organization best able to oppose them. It’s a natural and sensible way to go in the world of politics, and those who try to portray such democratic and political participation as extremism are only discrediting themselves.


  8. Ben (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:03 pm

    Dave?-

    You support the ACLU? The same ACLU that defends the likes of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, that advocates gay sex with adolescent boys? Doesn’t that make you not want to support the ACLU?


  9. Dave! (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:19 pm

    Ben: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    The ACLU doesn’t defend any group: they defend the United States Constitution. So you *don’t* support the Constitution? It’s good reading, you should take a peek sometime!

    In fact, I believe the ACLU would even defend your right to post ignorant, troll bait comments on this blog.

    Cory posted a thoughtful response to why he supports the NRA and I completely respect his viewpoint. You’re just an asshole.


  10. Ben (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:28 pm

    Wow. More of that liberal “tolerance” shining through. I wasn’t rude to you in my post, I was just asking a pretty good question. But your response is name-calling. That’s classy. BTW, the ACLU does defend groups. Where in the Constitution does it say that grown, adult males have the right to have sex with adolescent boys?


  11. Jason (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:34 pm

    I shoot at Illinois Gun Works in Elmwood Park (Harlem & Grand). It’s small and usually pretty quiet, and they’re nice.

    I would like to do some skeet shooting, though I don’t think there’s anyplace left in the area aside from Wisconsin, right?


  12. nikkos (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

    Jason, I recall that when I last visited Sand Ridge State Park they allowed hand trap skeet shooting.

    One of my very first posts to this site was in regards to camping at Sand Ridge, check it out:
    “Prickly Pear Cactus in Illinois? YES!”
    http://chicago.metblogs.com/archives/2005/04/prickly_pear_ca.phtml


  13. Dave! (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:40 pm

    I never said I was a *tolerant* liberal. Classic conservative making erroneous assumptions… :)

    If you read the details about the ACLU NAMBLA case, they aren’t defending any right to have sex with boys, their defending the right to *speech*. It’s a *big* difference.

    Of course I find NAMBLA reprehensible, so what? Again, I’ll defend anyone’s right to free speech, be they NAMBLA, Nazi, or you.


  14. Dave! (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:42 pm

    Jason/Nikkos: I’ve never shot skeet, but it sounds like fun… another “to do” when the weather turns warmer.


  15. nikkos (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:44 pm

    Well, since I lack both a shotgun and a FOID card, I will have to rely on the kindness of you and Jason if I plan on shooting skeet. Lemme know if and when you decide to go!


  16. Cory (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 1:51 pm

    If you’re interested in clay target shooting in Illinois, then this link looks pretty useful. Before visiting any range listed there, I’d recommend calling them to check what their availability and requirements are.


  17. roderick (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 2:15 pm

    I think we should to a metblogs meetup/shoot-out. I’ll bring the clay pigeons!


  18. nikkos (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 2:38 pm

    Sounds like fun!


  19. Dilip (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 4:14 pm

    Didn’t there use to be a skeet range on the lake in the city??
    I thought there was at least on public or private gun range in the city? were they all ordinanced out by Daley?


  20. Cory (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 5:40 pm

    There was once such a range, but sadly the politics of Chicago closed it down. The only mention I could find of it offhand is in an interview with Joe Mantegna.


  21. steven (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 6:45 pm

    I think Joe Mantegna should find another planet to live on.


  22. nikkos (unregistered) on January 12th, 2006 @ 7:06 pm

    Parts of that interview are kinda creepy.


  23. nikkos (unregistered) on January 16th, 2006 @ 10:26 am

    Dave, thought you find this interesting:

    “Magic bullet for depressed area: shooting complex”

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-shoot16.html



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