John McCain Thinks You Are Stupid: Blasts Obama in the First Broadside of Campaign 2008

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“This is my idea of bipartisan, McCain. Punk-ass bitch.”

Sen. John McCain comes out swinging today with a scathing and incredibly sarcastic letter to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. Obama’s transgression? According to McCain, Obama backed out of a supposed deal to participate in bipartisan lobbying reform.

Of course, this letter is only partly about lobbying reform. You have to read almost the entire letter, but finally McCain gets to the real point of the letter- framing ongoing Republican lobbying scandals and corruption as bipartisan, as “another run-of-the-mill Washington scandal.”

You know the GOP is getting desperate to put some distance between themselves and the likes of Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, et al, when even the party “maverick,” John McCain, is trying to get the “this-is-a-bipartisan-scandal” meme to stick. Look, it didn’t work when Denny Hastert tried it; it’s not going to work now either.

The fact that McCain is willing to undertake this type of political ankle-biting suggests to me that he is repositioning himself within the GOP in order to make his anticipated bid for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2008. First order of business- beat up on one of the presumptive Democratic nominees.

Now, Obama may only be freshman Senator, but he’s no dummy. Why in hell would he help give the GOP bipartisan cover regarding a scandal that’s their own creation? Lieberman, I can understand. Providing cover to the GOP is just about his only job. But Obama? McCain must think Obama is pretty fucking stupid to think that (a) he would provide bipartisan cover for what is an exclusively Republican scandal and (b) he will be baited by such an antagonistic and intentionally inflammatory letter. For his part, Obama has not yet responded, and will probably allow this swipe to pass rather than play into McCain’s ambush, although I can imagine a pretty fierce debate this morning among Obama’s advisors- between those urging a swift, sarcastic reaction and those urging Obama to ignore the bully.

If you were an Obama advisor, what would be your counsel?

40 Comments so far

  1. steven (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 12:03 pm

    Get out and move to Australia.


  2. nikkos (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 12:11 pm

    Well that’s a rather cryptic comment Steven- what pray tell do you mean?


  3. Gabe (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 12:23 pm

    Ok, nikkos, normally I let you go off on your tangents but you’re making some pretty big leaps here. First off, the title doesn’t even fit. McCain made some sarcastic statements to Obama; not the public in general. You also made no sense in a couple statements since you provide no proof or even any support for your statements. Granted, McCain may have come out swinging for the White house with this but remember that Obama is the freshman. McCain interpreted his political rhetoric as an attempt at political posturing but to try and tie this to the political scandal with Abramhoff is gonna take a huge leap of faith unless you’ve already sipped the kool-aid of the left. So call it what it is; an attempt by McCain to position himself for the white house.

    I would also ask how this is different from Hillary and what the democratic party has been doing to the Bush administration? Bashing Bush at every turn for everything from “downplaying the Iran threat” to pandering by saying that “congress has been run like a plantation”. You know that Hillary was doing some political posturing when she made those statements. So how is it different?


  4. nikkos (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 12:45 pm

    Yawn.

    Craft an argument that does not invoke Hillary and perhaps I will respond substantively.


  5. Gabe (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 1:19 pm

    Why? Does it bother you that I bring up her name in comparison to McCain? I thought it was a valid question. How is what she did different than what McCain did? Because she’s not under indictment and didn’t smoke a cigar in the white house, she’s some how above the political name calling and her arguments are so much better?

    It’s a simple question: how is it different?

    So YAWN back at ya buddy.


  6. Gabe (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 1:25 pm

    Also, there’s 2 separate arguments there. The first says that you’re making a huge leap there from what McCain said to Abramhoff without a safety net (support). The second is involving Hillary. So feel free to address the first and not the second but don’t try to get out of answering the question by dismissing both arguments since I chose to “invoke hillary”.


  7. nikkos (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

    Since they’re equally shitty arguments, I’ll field them both:

    The Abramoff lobbying scandal touched off this latest round of competing lobbying reform proposals. Thus, when McCain and the GOP talk aout lobbying reform, what they’re really doing is trying to get out in front of a scandal which they know could very well destroy their majority once the 2006 midterms roll around.

    This is not a “leap” as much as it is “reading comprehension.”

    As for your battle cry of “Hillary!”:

    Why do I mock you for yes, “invoking,” Hillary? Because it’s a weak-ass argument. Increasingly, wingers use the word “Hillary” as though it is a magic spell that can single-wordedly win arguments.

    If part of your criticism of Hillary is moral in nature- which of course it is, because Republicans love to denounce other’s moral character- then why would you hold her up as the standard by which McCain and other GOPers should be judged?

    If you hate and fear Hillary, as is obvious, why would she then become the measure of Republican conduct?

    Shouldn’t you be saying “UNLIKE Hillary, McCain blah blah blah” instead “But, , but Hillary did it too!” ?

    But let’s cut to the chase and get to the heart of the “plantation” comment, shall we? What you really wanna know is this: Why aren’t liberals condemned as racists when they make comments like referring to the House as a “plantation,” yet Republicans are accused of racism for making similar statements?

    Yeah, why is that? Hmmmm…


  8. Gabe (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 2:04 pm

    That to me is not the heart of the argument. Yes, that question did cross my mind but that was back when she first made the statement. I didn’t use the reference to her statement because I wanted to bring up that argument again. I used her statement because I was trying to get to one very simple truth about the party system; depending on which side of the fence you sit on is how you view what was said by the candidates. You can decry all you want about McCain and how he’s trying to get out “in front of the lobbying reform” but when it comes to your own party members, you have this “we’ll let it slide this time” mentality.

    So once again, you’ve side-stepped the issue or in other words, you’ve responded to the question with a question. Nice try.

    Ok, I’ll give you that they are bickering about lobbying reform but considering I haven’t seen any pictures of McCain shaking hands with Abramhoff or an indictment for McCain, why shouldn’t he try to help out? You think that only dems should be allowed to be involved with lobbying reform? Do you realize how condescending and arrogant that sounds? Once again, the only good and pure party is the democratic party. Again you’re viewing the world through the rose tinted glasses of the left that has a new gleam in it called abramhoff.

    No, I don’t invoke Hillary as some “magic spell”. I use her as an example (I could pick others) because she’s the one that is running out there to be the new face of the Dems. I don’t think that using her name automatically wins arguments. I use her because she wants to be the poster child for the presidency. Why should I not use her in that manner when she’s volunteered for the job?


  9. nikkos (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 2:33 pm

    OK, I’ll ask you the same question I asked you when we were discussing my previous post entitled “Dennis Hastert Thinks You’re Stupid.”:

    Do you believe McCain is credible when he talks about lobbying reform and blasts Obama for not watning to play along?

    Do you think Hastert is credible when he talks of lobbying reforms?

    Do you think the GOP is credible when it proposes lobbying reform?

    If you do find McCain’s, Hastert’s or the GOP’s proposed lobbying reform to be credible, please tell me why you think so.

    Without mentioning Hillary, tell me why the GOP is credible on this issue.

    Tell me why they are to be trusted and believed based on their own merits, not on someone else’s demerits.


  10. Gabe (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 3:39 pm

    “Do you believe McCain is credible when he talks about lobbying reform and blasts Obama for not watning to play along?”

    – Yes because McCain has continually broken party ranks and voted against things that he didn’t believe in. He has shown from his record that he doesn’t just vote along the party line but he will vote his conscience. He championed the anti-torture bill which was opposed by the Bush administration and he got them to agree to it. This says to me that he can be uncompromising and honest.

    “Do you think Hastert is credible when he talks of lobbying reforms?”

    – Not sure because I don’t know Hastert that well (which is why I didn’t answer it the last time you brought it up).

    “Do you think the GOP is credible when it proposes lobbying reform?”

    – Yes and no. It depends on who you’re talking about within the GOP. If they have obvious connections to Abramhoff, no. Otherwise, yes.

    “If you do find McCain’s, Hastert’s or the GOP’s proposed lobbying reform to be credible, please tell me why you think so.”

    This country’s government is based on a series of checks and balances between the different branches of government. The founding fathers did not believe that one person or branch should be allowed to have absolute power. You think that one party should only be allowed to participate in lobbying reform? The founding fathers would disagree with you and not on the “demerits” of others. Your argument assumes guilt by association without even having a hearing. I like your optimism (or is it pessimism considering my “reading comprehension” skills seem to be so low).


  11. nikkos (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 4:42 pm

    On McCain: while I call “bullshit,” I can understand why you would like to believe in McCain on this issue. He may be one of the ONLY Republicans that is not tainted by Abramoff.

    On Hastert: Educate thyself! The man is repping IL after all.

    On the GOP: OK, let’s say for the sake of argument I accept your position that those whom are without the Abramoff taint can still be trusted and believed when it comes to lobby reform. So, let’s take a look at a list of GOPers that received Abramoff money:

    Jack Abramoff , 47 (bio)
    lobbyist, GOP fundraiser; convicted of conspiracy, tax evasion and mail fraud

    $174,933 Republican
    $86,735 special interest
    total: $261,668

    Contributor Candidate or PAC Amount Date
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006 LOBIONDO, FRANK A. (Rep)
    House (NJ 02)
    LOBIONDO FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 08/17/05
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006 TALENT, JAMES MATTHES (R)
    Senate – MO
    TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $2,000
    primary 08/08/05
    Abramoff, Jack A.
    Silver Spring, MD 20901 SAXTON, H. J (R)
    House (NJ 03)
    FRIENDS OF JIM SAXTON $1,000
    primary 12/07/04
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 02/17/04
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig Attorneys At Law/ CANNON, CHRISTOPHER B (R)
    House (UT 03)
    CANNON FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 12/02/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Attorney
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 11/20/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    GREENBERG TRAURIG BUNNING, JIM (R)
    Senate – KY
    CITIZENS FOR BUNNING $1,000
    primary 11/03/03
    Abramoff Jack A.
    Silver Spring, MD 20901
    Greenberg Traurig/Attorney SAXTON, H. J (R)
    House (NJ 03)
    FRIENDS OF JIM SAXTON $1,000
    primary 10/24/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TAAURIG ISAKSON, JOHN HARDY (R)
    Senate – GA
    GEORGIANS FOR ISAKSON $2,000
    primary 10/18/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS NETHERCUTT, GEORGE R (R)
    Senate – WA
    NETHERCUTT FOR SENATE $1,000
    primary 09/30/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Attorney
    RICH POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 09/29/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Senior Dir of
    HAWKEYE PAC, THE $5,000
    primary 07/18/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A MR.
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
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    President
    BUSH-CHENEY ’04 (PRIMARY) INC $2,000
    primary 06/23/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Senior Direct
    FIRST FREEDOMS FUND $5,000
    primary 06/16/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig/Attorney
    KEEP OUR MAJORITY PAC $2,500
    primary 06/16/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
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    House (PA 07)
    WELDON VICTORY COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 05/21/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A.
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG/SENIOR DIR GOVT A
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    primary 05/02/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Smith Dawson & Andrews/Lobbyist OSE, DOUG (R)
    House (CA 03)
    DOUG OSE FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 04/30/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Sr. Director
    LEADERSHIP PAC 2006 $2,000
    primary 04/23/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    self employed/Attorney TAYLOR, CHARLES H (R)
    House (NC 11)
    CHARLES TAYLOR FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $2,000
    primary 04/11/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG ATTORNEYS AT LAW GRASSLEY, CHARLES E (R)
    Senate – IA
    GRASSLEY COMMITTEE INC $1,000
    primary 03/29/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG ATTORNEYS AT LAW GRASSLEY, CHARLES E (R)
    Senate – IA
    GRASSLEY COMMITTEE INC $1,000
    primary 03/29/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG ET AL SPECTER, ARLEN (R)
    Senate – PA
    CITIZENS FOR ARLEN SPECTER $2,000
    primary 03/29/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Taurig LLP/Govt. Relation CANTOR, ERIC (R)
    House (VA 07)
    CANTOR FOR CONGRESS $2,000
    primary 03/19/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Attorney
    RELY ON YOUR BELIEFS FUND $1,000
    primary 03/18/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES AND ELLIS BOND, CHRISTOPHER S (R)
    Senate – MO
    MISSOURIANS FOR KIT BOND $1,500
    primary 03/17/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG ENSIGN, JOHN ERIC (R)
    Senate – NV
    ENSIGN FOR SENATE $2,000
    general 03/14/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG ENSIGN, JOHN ERIC (R)
    Senate – NV
    ENSIGN FOR SENATE $1,000
    primary 03/14/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig Attorneys At Law/ CANNON, CHRISTOPHER B (R)
    House (UT 03)
    CANNON FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 03/13/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A.
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG LLP/SR DIR OF GOV ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 03/13/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Silver Spring, MD 20901
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Government Af DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 03/06/03
    Abramoff Jack A.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/govt. affairs FEENEY, TOM (R)
    House (FL 24)
    TOM FEENEY FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 03/05/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Attorney
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 02/27/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG SHELBY, RICHARD C (R)
    Senate – AL
    SHELBY FOR U S SENATE $1,000
    primary 02/07/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG ENSIGN, JOHN ERIC (R)
    Senate – NV
    ENSIGN FOR SENATE $1,000
    primary 02/06/03
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig/Attorney ISTOOK, ERNEST J (R)
    House (OK 05)
    ISTOOK FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 02/03/03
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Preston Gates Ellis et al/Governmen
    REPUBLICAN MAJORITY FUND $5,000
    primary 01/31/03
    Abramoff, Jack A.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/attorney POMBO, RICHARD (R)
    House (CA 11)
    RICHARD POMBO FOR CONGRESS $2,000
    primary 01/22/03
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG TERRELL, SUZANNE HAIK (R)
    Senate – LA
    TERRELL FOR SENATE $1,000
    primary 11/25/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG TERRELL, SUZANNE HAIK (R)
    Senate – LA
    TERRELL FOR SENATE $1,000
    general 11/25/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG TERRELL, SUZANNE HAIK (R)
    Senate – LA
    TERRELL FOR SENATE $1,000 11/25/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    GREENBERG TRAURIG SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $-1,000
    primary 11/09/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    GREENBERG TRAURIG SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    SMITH TEAM EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 11/09/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG CHAMBLISS, SAXBY (R)
    Senate – GA
    CHAMBLISS FOR SENATE $1,000
    general 11/02/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Government Af GINGREY, PHILLIP J (R)
    House (GA 11)
    GINGREY FOR CONGRESS $500
    general 10/29/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Preston Gates Ellis/Attorney PICKERING, CHARLES W (R)
    House (MS 03)
    PICKERING FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 10/24/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    Washington, DC 20006
    Self-employed/Attorney SIMPSON, MICHAEL KEITH (R)
    House (ID 02)
    SIMPSON FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 10/22/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg/Traurig/Attorney MORELLA, CONSTANCE A (R)
    House (DC 08)
    CONNIE MORELLA FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 10/18/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Wasihngton, DC 20006
    Greensburg Traurig LLP/Lobbysit KALOI, KIMO (R)
    House (HI 02)
    KALOI FOR CONGRESS $1,000 10/15/02
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES/Attorney OTTER, C.L. BUTCH (R)
    House (ID 01)
    OTTER FOR IDAHO $500
    general 09/30/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TAURIG LLP STEVENS, THEODORE F (TED) (R)
    Senate – AK
    STEVENS FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 09/30/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Taurig LLP/Govt. Relation CANTOR, ERIC (R)
    House (VA 07)
    CANTOR FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 07/29/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    GREENBERG TRAURIG SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $1,000
    general 06/29/02
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig/Lobbyist GRANT, CAROLYN W (R)
    House (NC 13)
    CAROLYN GRANT FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 06/26/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A.
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG/ATTORNEY
    SENATE VICTORY FUND PAC, THE $5,000
    primary 06/25/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG TALENT, JAMES MATTHES (R)
    Senate – MO
    TALENT FOR SENATE COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 06/12/02
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Preston Gates Ellis et al/Gov’t Aff THUNE, JOHN (R)
    Senate – SD
    BATTLE BORN CLASSIC COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 06/10/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901 SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $-920
    primary 06/08/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901 SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $1,920
    primary 06/08/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenbert Taauraig Attorneys/Attorn SIMMONS, ROBERT R (R)
    House (CT 2)
    SIMMONS FOR CONGRESS $750
    primary 05/22/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenbert Taauraig Attorneys/Attorn SIMMONS, ROBERT R (R)
    House (CT 2)
    SIMMONS FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 05/22/02
    Abramoff Jack
    Washington, DC 20002
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Executive BURTON, DANNY L (R)
    House (IN 05)
    DAN BURTON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 05/06/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRADING SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
    Senate – OR
    GORDON SMITH FOR US SENATE 2002 INC $-1,000
    primary 05/03/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRADING SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
    Senate – OR
    GORDON SMITH FOR US SENATE 2002 INC $1,000
    general 05/03/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Attorney
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 04/25/02
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006 JANKLOW, WILLIAM (R)
    House (SD 00)
    THOUSANDS OF SOUTH DAKOTANS FOR BILL JANKLOW FOR CONGRESS $250
    primary 04/22/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig Hoffman PAC/Senio WILSON, HEATHER A. (R)
    House (NM 01)
    HEATHER WILSON FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 03/30/02
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig/Senior Dir Govt R YOUNG, TOM (R)
    House (AL 01)
    TOM YOUNG FOR CONGRESS $500
    primary 03/25/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    GREENBERG TRADING SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
    Senate – OR
    GORDON SMITH FOR US SENATE 2002 INC $1,000
    primary 03/22/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAUN’S HUTCHINSON, TIM (R)
    Senate – AR
    HUTCHINSON FOR SENATE $1,000
    primary 03/21/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG & TAURING HUTCHINSON, TIM (R)
    Senate – AR
    HUTCHINSON FOR SENATE $1,000
    primary 03/21/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG INHOFE, JAMES M (R)
    Senate – OK
    FRIENDS OF JIM INHOFE COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 02/21/02
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    Washington, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES/LOBBYIST DOOLITTLE, JOHN T (R)
    House (DC 04)
    JOHN T. DOOLITTLE FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 12/28/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Preston Gates Ellis/Attorney PICKERING, CHARLES W (R)
    House (MS 03)
    PICKERING FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 12/06/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    GREENBERG TRAURIG COCHRAN, THAD (R)
    Senate – VA
    CITIZENS FOR COCHRAN $1,000
    primary 12/04/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Sen. Dir. of FERGUSON, MIKE (R)
    House (NJ 07)
    FRIENDS OF MIKE FERGUSON $1,000
    primary 11/26/01
    Abramoff Jack
    Washington, DC 20002
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Executive BURTON, DANNY L (R)
    House (IN 05)
    DAN BURTON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 11/14/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig/Lobbyist
    RELY ON YOUR BELIEFS FUND $1,000
    primary 10/24/01
    Jack Abramoff
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Director of G CAMP, DAVID LEE (R)
    House (MI 04)
    DAVE CAMP FOR CONGRESS 2006 $500
    primary 10/23/01
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenburg & Traurig/Lobbyist
    AMERICAN LIBERTY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $2,500
    primary 10/19/01
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS/ATTORNEY OTTER, C.L. BUTCH (R)
    House (ID 01)
    OTTER FOR IDAHO $500
    primary 10/18/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20008
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Attorney KINGSTON, JOHN HEDDENS (R)
    House (GA 01)
    FRIENDS OF JACK KINGSTON $1,000
    primary 08/31/01
    Abramoff, Jack Mr.
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Senior Direct REGULA, RALPH S (R)
    House (OH 16)
    REGULA FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 07/31/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Taurig LLP/Senior Directo
    NEW JERSEY REPUBLICAN STATE COMMITTEE (R) $5,000
    primary 07/17/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg & Taurig LLP/Attorney LOBIONDO, FRANK A. (Rep)
    House (NJ 02)
    LOBIONDO FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 06/22/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/attorney FORBES, J. RANDY (R)
    House (VA 04)
    FORBES FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 05/25/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    Washington, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES/LOBBYIST DOOLITTLE, JOHN T (R)
    House (DC 04)
    JOHN T. DOOLITTLE FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 05/23/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901 SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $920
    primary 05/12/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELA SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
    Senate – OR
    GORDON SMITH FOR US SENATE 2002 INC $1,000
    primary 05/11/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Taurig LLP/Govt. Relation CANTOR, ERIC (R)
    House (VA 07)
    CANTOR FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 05/08/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Electric Boat/Designer SIMMONS, ROBERT R (R)
    House (CT 2)
    SIMMONS FOR CONGRESS $250
    primary 04/30/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Preston Gates & Ellis/Attorney REHBERG, DENNIS R (R)
    House (MT 01)
    REHBERG FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 04/09/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A.
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 44432
    PRESTON-GATES/LOBBYIST NEY, ROBERT W (R)
    House (OH 18)
    BOB NEY FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 03/19/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    GREENBERG TRAURIG SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $1,000
    primary 02/28/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    GREENBERG TRAURIG SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $1,000
    primary 02/28/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ET AL
    FRIENDS OF THE BIG SKY (R) $5,000
    primary 02/22/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Washington, DC 20006
    Greenberg Trauwig/Attorney KELLER, RICHARD ANTHONY (R)
    House (FL 08)
    KELLER FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 01/24/01
    Abramoff, Jack
    Silver Spring, MD 20901
    Greenberg Traurig LLP/Government Af DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 01/12/01
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES
    FUND FOR A FREE MARKET AMERICA $2,500
    primary 10/20/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ET AL ABRAHAM, SPENCER SENATOR (R)
    Senate – MI
    ABRAHAM SENATE 2000 $1,000
    general 10/09/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROUVELAS MCCOLLUM, BILL (R)
    Senate – FL
    BILL MCCOLLUM FOR US SENATE $1,000
    general 09/30/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ET AL HUTCHISON, CLAUDE B JR (R)
    House (CA 10)
    CLAUDE HUTCHISON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 09/15/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A.
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 44432
    PRESTON-GATES/LOBBYIST NEY, ROBERT W (R)
    House (OH 18)
    BOB NEY FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 06/30/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK MR
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES PITTS, JOSEPH R (R)
    House (Pa 16)
    FRIENDS OF JOE PITTS $894
    general 06/19/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS RYAN, PAUL D (R)
    House (WI 01)
    RYAN FOR CONGRESS $949
    primary 06/19/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS ROYCE, ED MR (R)
    House (CA 40)
    ED ROYCE FOR CONGRESS $500
    general 06/13/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES DOOLITTLE, JOHN T (R)
    House (DC 04)
    JOHN T. DOOLITTLE FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    general 05/29/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A MR
    WASHINGTON, DC 20000
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS RILEY, BOB (R)
    House (AL 03)
    BOB RILEY FOR CONGRESS $500
    primary 05/17/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A MRS
    WASHINGTON, DC 20000
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS RILEY, BOB (R)
    House (AL 03)
    BOB RILEY FOR CONGRESS $500
    primary 05/17/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS CANTOR, ERIC (R)
    House (VA 07)
    CANTOR FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 05/17/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901 SMITH, ROBERT C (R)
    Senate – NH
    BOB SMITH FOR U S SENATE $920
    primary 05/12/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS WELLER, GERALD C JERRY (R)
    House (DC 11)
    GERALD C ‘JERRY’ WELLER FOR CONGRESS $500
    general 05/02/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES BURTON, DANNY L (R)
    House (IN 05)
    DAN BURTON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 05/02/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006 ALLEN, GEORGE (R)
    Senate – VA
    FRIENDS OF GEORGE ALLEN $1,000
    primary 04/28/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS REHBERG, DENNIS R (R)
    House (MT 01)
    REHBERG FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 04/21/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006 ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 04/11/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006 ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 04/11/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS GORMLEY, WILLIAM L (R)
    Senate – NJ
    GORMLEY FOR SENATE PRIMARY ELECTION FUND $1,000
    primary 03/31/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901 DAVIS, THOMAS M III (R)
    House (VA 11)
    TOM DAVIS FOR CONGRESS $500
    primary 03/31/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ET AL ABRAHAM, SPENCER SENATOR (R)
    Senate – MI
    ABRAHAM SENATE 2000 $1,000
    primary 03/29/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS FLOTRON, FRANCIS E (R)
    House (MO 02)
    FLOTRON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 03/22/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ET AL ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 02/25/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES AND ELLIS
    RELY ON YOUR BELIEFS FUND $1,500
    primary 02/25/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS EMERSON, MARK
    House (UT 02)
    EMERSON FOR CONGRESS (R) $500 02/02/00
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS LAZIO, RICK A (R)
    Senate – NY
    LAZIO 2000 INC $250
    primary 11/03/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 11/01/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES DOOLITTLE, JOHN T (R)
    House (DC 04)
    JOHN T. DOOLITTLE FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 10/03/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    ATTORNEY TAYLOR, CHARLES H (R)
    House (NC 11)
    CHARLES TAYLOR FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $250
    primary 09/27/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROVELAS & MEEDS
    YOUNG JEWISH LEADERSHIP POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE INC, THE $985
    primary 09/01/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS ENZI, MICHAEL B (R)
    Senate – WY
    ENZI FOR US SENATE $1,000
    primary 07/09/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS BUSH, GEORGE W (R)
    President
    BUSH FOR PRESIDENT INC. $1,000
    primary 06/30/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES GEROW, CHARLIE (R)
    House (PA 19)
    PEOPLE FOR CHARLIE GEROW $500
    primary 06/28/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES & ELLIS ASHCROFT, JOHN D (R)
    Senate – MO
    ASHCROFT 2000 $1,000
    primary 06/22/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES BURTON, DANNY L (R)
    House (IN 05)
    DAN BURTON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 06/22/99
    Abramoff, Jack A.
    Silver Springs, MD 20910
    PrestonGatesEllis & Rouvelas Meeds PIROZZI, ELIA (R)
    House (CA 42)
    FAMILIES FOR PIROZZI $500
    primary 06/14/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS PICKERING, CHARLES W (R)
    House (MS 03)
    PICKERING FOR CONGRESS $500
    primary 06/14/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU HILLEARY, W VAN (R)
    House (TN 04)
    VAN HILLEARY FOR CONGRESS $500
    primary 06/07/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ET AL
    RELY ON YOUR BELIEFS FUND $5,000
    primary 06/01/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 05/24/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $-1,000
    primary 03/20/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $-1,000
    general 03/20/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRERSTON GATES ELLIS ROUVELAS MEADS JONES, WALTER B. (R)
    House (NC 03)
    WALTER JONES COMMITTEE 2006 $1,000
    primary 03/08/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS MEED
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS $500
    primary 03/01/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELA
    T.E.A.M. PAC $1,000
    primary 02/28/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 02/23/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 02/23/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 02/23/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 02/23/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    general 02/15/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS EHRLICH, ROBERT LEROY JR (R)
    House (MD 02)
    EHRLICH FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $500
    primary 02/12/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $2,000
    primary 02/12/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES
    UNITED STATES FAMILY PAC $3,000
    primary 02/09/99
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (R) $5,000
    primary 11/02/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    MONDAY MORNING POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 09/14/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS MEED
    MONDAY MORNING POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 09/14/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A.
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTONGATESELLIS & ROUVELAS MEEDS PIROZZI, ELIA (R)
    House (CA 42)
    FAMILIES FOR PIROZZI $500
    general 09/01/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 LATHAM, THOMAS P (R)
    House (IA 04)
    LATHAM FOR CONGRESS $1,000 08/20/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    ATTORNEY PHILLIPS, HOWARD (OTH)
    President
    TAXPAYERS FOR PHILLIPS $500
    general 08/11/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS FAIRCLOTH, DUNCAN M (R)
    Senate – NC
    FAIRCLOTH FOR SENATE COMMITTEE 1998 $1,000
    general 06/30/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS BORDONARO, MOLLY HERING (R)
    House (OR 01)
    MOLLY BORDONARO FOR CONGRESS 1998 $500
    general 06/26/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELA HAYWORTH, J D (R)
    House (AZ 05)
    JD HAYWORTH FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 06/08/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK MR.
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS MEED RHODES, ARTHUR D (R)
    House (MS 04)
    ART RHODES FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 05/29/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELA ALBY, BARBARA (R)
    House (CA 03)
    BARBARA ALBY FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 05/13/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 BROOKS, SUSAN (R)
    House (CA 36)
    SUSAN BROOKS FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 05/08/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS HOFMEISTER, GARY (R)
    House (IN 06)
    HOFMEISTER FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 03/27/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON, GATES, ELLIS, ROUVELAS CRANE, PHILIP M (R)
    House (IL 08)
    CRANE FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 02/19/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    ATTORNEY BORDONARO, TOM (R)
    House (CA 22)
    BORDONARO FOR CONGRESS $1,000 02/02/98
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A MR
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    ATTORNEY BORDONARO, TOM (R)
    House (CA 22)
    BORDONARO FOR CONGRESS $1,000 12/24/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS
    SUSAN B ANTHONY LIST PAC INC $1,000
    primary 12/08/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU FAIRCLOTH, DUNCAN M (R)
    Senate – NC
    FAIRCLOTH FOR SENATE COMMITTEE 1998 $500
    primary 11/10/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD
    CONSULTANT HASTINGS, DOC (R)
    House (WA 04)
    FRIENDS OF DOC HASTINGS $500
    primary 11/07/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    primary 10/20/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU HILLEARY, W VAN (R)
    House (TN 04)
    VAN HILLEARY FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 10/20/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES LAW FIRM SCARBOROUGH, CHARLES JOSEPH (R)
    House (FL 01)
    FRIENDS OF JOE SCARBOROUGH $1,000
    primary 07/15/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES BURTON, DANNY L (R)
    House (IN 05)
    DAN BURTON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 06/24/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ET AL
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS $5,000
    primary 04/22/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU CHENOWETH, HELEN P (R)
    House (ID 01)
    HELEN’S LIST $1,000
    primary 04/11/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 01/27/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 01/22/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
    primary 01/14/97
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20064
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS M STOCKMAN, STEVE (R)
    House (TX 09)
    FRIENDS OF STEVE STOCKMAN $500 10/23/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS &
    DICK ARMEY CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE (R) $250
    general 10/09/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & CHRISTENSEN, JON LYNN (R)
    House (NE 02)
    JON CHRISTENSEN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $250
    general 10/08/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS RYUN, JIM R (R)
    House (KS 02)
    JIM RYUN FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 10/07/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD
    ATTORNEY GUTKNECHT, GILBERT W JR. (R)
    House (MN 01)
    GUTKNECHT FOR U.S. CONGRESS COMMITTEE $250
    general 10/03/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS MEE LARGENT, STEPHEN MICHAEL (R)
    House (OK 01)
    LARGENT FOR CONGRESS 1996 $250
    general 10/03/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & POUVELAS MEED LEFEVER, TIMOTHY J (R)
    House (CA 03)
    TIM LEFEVER CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE $500
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUV CREMEANS, FRANK A (R)
    House (OH 06)
    CREMEANS FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 HAYWORTH, J D (R)
    House (AZ 05)
    JD HAYWORTH FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS HILL, RICK (R)
    House (MT 00)
    RICK HILL FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU TEAGUE, EDWARD B (R)
    House (MA 10)
    TEAGUE FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    WASHINGTON, DC 20006
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS MITNICK, JOHN (R)
    House (GA 04)
    JOHN MITNICK FOR CONGRESS INC $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS M BROWNBACK, SAM (R)
    Senate – KS
    FRIENDS OF BROWNBACK $500
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS CUBIN, BARBARA L (R)
    House (WY 01)
    CUBIN FOR CONGRESS INC $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ROUVELAS NETHERCUTT, GEORGE JR. (R)
    House (WA 05)
    NETHERCUTT FOR CONGRESS ’96 $500
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROUVELAS MEEDS PAUL, RONALD E. (R)
    House (TX 14)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT RON PAUL $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD
    PRESTON & GATES WITTIG, SUE (R)
    House (NY 26)
    FRIENDS OF SUE WITTIG $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD
    PRESTON GATES ET AL SNOWBARGER, VINCENT K (R)
    House (KS 03)
    SNOWBARGER FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/30/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & R MEEDS COBURN, TOM A (R)
    House (OK 02)
    TOM COBURN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $250
    general 09/29/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTON, GATES, ELL JONES, WALTER B. (R)
    House (NC 03)
    WALTER JONES COMMITTEE 2006 $250
    general 09/29/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS MEED NEY, ROBERT W (R)
    House (OH 18)
    BOB NEY FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/28/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ADERHOLT, ROBERT B (R)
    House (AL 04)
    ROBERT ADERHOLT FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/28/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 WATTS, JULIUS CEASER JR (JC) (R)
    House (OK 04)
    WATTS FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/27/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROUVELAS MEED COX, CHRISTOPHER HON. (Rep)
    House (DC 48)
    CHRISTOPHER COX CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $250
    general 09/27/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU CHRYSLER, RICHARD R (R)
    House (MI 08)
    DICK CHRYSLER FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/27/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES HILLEARY, W VAN (R)
    House (TN 04)
    VAN HILLEARY FOR CONGRESS $250
    general 09/25/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES PERRY, BRENT CLARK (R)
    House (TX 25)
    PERRY FOR CONGRESS $250 09/25/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20901
    THE BROCK GROUP CRANE, PHILIP M (R)
    House (IL 08)
    CRANE FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 09/24/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROU CHENOWETH, HELEN P (R)
    House (ID 01)
    HELEN’S LIST $1,000
    general 09/24/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 28910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS SUNUNU, JOHN E (R)
    House (NH 01)
    TEAM SUNUNU $250
    general 09/24/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 BURTON, DANNY L (R)
    House (IN 05)
    DAN BURTON FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 09/20/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $1,000
    general 09/20/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 FUNDERBURK, DAVID B (R)
    House (NC 02)
    FUNDERBURK FOR CONGRESS ’96 $1,000
    general 09/19/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD
    PRESTON GATES DUNN, JENNIFER (R)
    House (WA 08)
    FRIENDS OF JENNIFER B DUNN $1,000
    general 09/17/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS MEED TATE, RANDALL JOHN (R)
    House (WA 09)
    RANDY TATE FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 09/17/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 ENGLISH, PHILIP S (R)
    House (PA 03)
    PEOPLE FOR ENGLISH $1,000
    general 09/12/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ET AL POMBO, RICHARD (R)
    House (CA 11)
    RICHARD POMBO FOR CONGRESS $500
    general 09/12/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK A
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON, GATES, ROUVELAS WICKER, ROGER F. (R)
    House (MS 01)
    FRIENDS OF ROGER WICKER 1996 $250
    primary 09/12/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS ROHRABACHER, DANA (R)
    House (CA 46)
    COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER $500
    primary 03/26/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS PICKERING, CHARLES W (R)
    House (MS 03)
    PICKERING FOR CONGRESS $1,000
    primary 02/08/96
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 METCALF, JACK (R)
    House (WA 02)
    FRIENDS FOR JACK METCALF $250
    primary 12/07/95
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRINGS, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS SMITH, GORDON HAROLD (R)
    Senate – OR
    GORDON SMITH FOR U S SENATE $250
    primary 10/25/95
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    primary 10/02/95
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS DELAY, THOMAS DALE (R)
    House (TX 22)
    TOM DELAY CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE $1,000
    general 10/02/95
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON, GATES, ELLIS & ROUVELAS
    AMERICANS FOR A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $500
    primary 08/02/95
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    PRESTON GATES ELLIS & ROUVELAS GRAMM, WILLIAM PHILLIP (R)
    President
    PHIL GRAMM FOR PRESIDENT, INC. $1,000
    primary 06/30/95
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910
    INTERNATIONAL PRODUCERS ALLIANCE NORTH, OLIVER LAURENCE (R)
    Senate – VA
    OLIVER NORTH FOR U S SENATE COMMITTEE INC $1,000
    primary 05/12/94
    ABRAMOFF, JACK
    SILVER SPRING, MD 20910 PHILLIPS, HOWARD (OTH)
    President
    TAXPAYERS FOR PHILLIPS $250
    general 09/30/92

    http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php

    WOW, that’s a LONG LIST! Who’s left? Whom among the GOP have not tasted the sweet, rich taint of Abramoff?

    On overall credibility of GOP lobbying reform:
    I love being lectured on checks and balances from a Bush supporter. Thanks- I needed the laugh!


  12. A E Hansen (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 5:42 pm

    Was there really a point to that big long list?
    The personal donations by Jack Abramoff are not the focus of the investigations.


  13. Gabe (unregistered) on February 7th, 2006 @ 5:58 pm

    Glad to lecture you anytime. I know you get easily confused. So I’m glad I could help.

    Sure is a long list but does that mean that every single person in the GOP is guilty? If it was up to you, damn straight they are. You might wanna think about taking off your rose color glasses.

    Once again, you prove my point that it all depends on which side of the fence you sit on.


  14. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 8:46 am

    And where, AE, do you think the $$$ Abramoff gave as personal contributions came from? Selling Girl Scout cookies? No, this money came from defrauding Indian tribes, and thus, is dirty money.

    I believe Abramoff’s methods were an open secret in the GOP, and he was allowed to continue to operate because he put a lot of money into Republican war chests- as the above list clearly illustrates. Once is illegal shenanigans became public, however, the Republicans faint, clutch their pearls and are just shocked, shocked I tell you! that this could happen on their watch.


  15. A E Hansen (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 10:33 am

    Nikkos, a couple hundred thousand spread out as thin as the list you gave would not buy any significant influence in Washington DC. Serious, how much influence is a $2000 dollar donation going to buy?

    Abarmoff’s personal donations are not really the issue. The scandal really revolves around the donations given by his clients (mostly Indian tribes) to specific groups and politicians at his direction. Now we are talking about millions of dollars in donations…amounts that really matter. Now, you start looking at this money the Republicans do dominate the list, but the Democrats are ceratianly far from absent. His clients put alot of money in the war-chests of both parties.

    You can see more here at a site run by the Center for Responsive Politics….

    http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff_recips.asp


  16. Gabe (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 10:54 am

    I agree. Forget the $2000, there are donations for $200. That might buy you a pin but nothing more.

    Nikkos, I like how your ready to condemn the entire GOP for something that a few did while singing the praises of the dems. You’re so fair and open minded. You talk about being tolerant and fair but what you really mean is that you’re fair and tolerant towards those that think the same way you do but the others can die a firey death.

    And I’m surprised that you would call “bullshit” on McCain. It wasn’t all that long ago that you and I were agreeing on not torturing detainees. McCain spearheaded the effort to pass a bill to stop that and I don’t see his name on the list that you provided.


  17. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 11:22 am

    So, let me get this straight. According to AE and Gabe:

    “What Abramoff did was no big deal. Illegal, yes, but nothing to get too excited about. Certainly nothing to criticize Republicans for. Gosh, it wasn’t even that much money anyways! And sheesh, Democrats got some money too (but remember, it wasn’t much money so it doesn’t really matter).”

    If that sums up your position, then please, shout it to the mountaintops. Perhaps then it’s sheer absurdity will come echoing back to you in the form of many formerly Republican seats in the House.

    As for McCain, yes, I lauded him for sponsoring the anti-torture language in the Defense Approprioations bill. Of course, Bush inserted a signing statement that essentially nullifies the language McCain inserted, but hey, what did I expect? That Bush would follow the law? Ha!

    I believed McCain was credible on this issue because he himself knows the brutality of torture- because he was on the receiving end. I still believe his intentions were good.

    I think in this case however, the GOP shrewdly used him as cover to insert language which Americans wanted inserted, with the full knowledge that BUsh would just sidestep it anyways. The current situation may play out to be not that different: “Let’s let that maverick McCain get out in front of this lobbying scandal thingy. He wants the press because he thinks he might run for President. We need the cover since we’re up to our eyeballs in shady dealings. If he actually does get traction on the lobby reform issue, we’ll simply kill it in committee or ignore the law once passed. See, everybody wins!”

    In your mind Gabe, the fact that I laud him for that yet bash him on lobbying reform is somehow contradictory?

    Somehow I am an unfair partisan because I lauded McCain for one action yet criticize im for another?

    I know consistency is the hobgoblin of lesser minds, but you should be able to wrap your head around this: see, since I’m not a Republican, I am not expected to slavishly follow the party line. I’m allowed to think for myself. And sometimes, that means that I’ll praise a guy for one thing and chastise him for another. Why is that so hard to grasp?

    Now, if I had never criticized a Democrat or never praised a Republican, you might have a point. Whether you could articulate it is another matter, but a glimmer of a point you might have. However, as you well know, I have been critical of Democrats and on occasion have praised Republicans.

    The fact that I criticize Republicans far more often is the result of their far more egregious, pernicious and continuous violations of the Constitution, common sense and basic decency.


  18. Gabe (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 11:48 am

    I didn’t say it was no big deal. What I said was that $200 wont buy much more than a pin. Besides, the heart of the matter is not that abramhoff gave the money or that they even received it. The question is whether they gave political favors in return. You and I don’t know the answer to that.

    As I also said, before they’ve even held a hearing (and I’m not talking abramhoff), you’ve already passed judgment on the entire group. In your own words, “I think”. In other words, you don’t know for sure. You’re making a judgment based on what you have and gosh darn it if you didn’t pick a particular side. Why is that?


  19. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 12:04 pm

    I’ll say it one more time, slowly: Abramoff PLED GUILTY.

    Therefore, I am well within my bounds to refer to him as GUILTY.

    Inasmuch as I have passed judgement, it is solely to the effect that I do not trust Republicans to clean up the mess they have made. Why is that so hard to fathom?

    Perhaps you are confused, and you meant to comment on Danny’s post, “Blind Faith.” I, however, do not take a faith-based approach to governance.


  20. A E Hansen (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 12:38 pm

    Hmmmm…not sure where you got all that…certainly not from my posts.

    My only point is that it appears that you are cherry picking your facts a bit to make this appear as a Republican only scandal. By focusing on this rather small subset of money you have managed to exclude the other party.

    But, the meat of the scandal is actually the approximately 3.4 million dollars in political donations from Abramoff’s clients during the 2000-2006 election cycles. (Of this money, about $1.1 million went to Democrats and $2.3 million to Republicans.) To focus on Abramoff’s personal $250,000 in donations is to miss the point entirely.


  21. Gabe (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 12:45 pm

    And I’ll say it again, slowly: I’m NOT referring to abramoff. Since you side-stepped the statement I made, I’ll say it again: It doesn’t matter whether he gave money or if it was even received. The heart of the matter is whether the politicians who RECEIVED MONEY gave any political favors. You seem to have a problem with basic “reading comprehension”. Maybe you should take a remedial English class.

    I understand your skeptism since I feel the same way about the dems but since opinions are like @ssholes…..

    No confusion here other than why you can’t answer a basic question. How is it different for Hillary than McCain? As for blind faith, you seem to have alot in the dems to let them run the entire lobby reform changes. Don’t make me lecture you again on checks and balances but since you don’t seem to be getting it the first time, it seems we need to go back to the basics.


  22. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 1:51 pm

    To begin, Gabe, save the patronizing tone for your wife and/or children. It’s not welcome here.

    “Checks and balances” isn’t really about the two party system as you imply- it’s about the three branches of government coexisting and acting as counterwieghts to each other so that an inordinate amount of power does not end up in the hands of any one branch. In regards to the disastrous effects of one branch usurping more than its share of power, the Bush Administration is a fine case in point.

    “Cherry picking” – Coming from a Bush defender, need I even point out the irony?

    But to answer, no, I am not cherry picking. Just because it does not matter TO YOU does not mean that Abramoff’s personal contributions do not matter. How many Democrats received personal contributions from Abramoff? ZERO.

    While it fits your strategy to make a distinction between the PAC money and the personal contributions, the truth is that both are worriesome. Because, as I stated above, all the money Abramoff touched or directed is dirty.

    The beauty of the GOP strategy is that by separating personal contributions from PAC contributions, it changes the terrain of the debate. It turns the corrption into a matter of degree- e.g., “What’s $200 anyways?” and “Democrats got money too!”

    However, like many GOP strategies, this one relies on falsehoods and an uninformed public to succeed.

    It matters to me whether political favors were offered in exchange for cash. In fact, Abramoff’s indictment alleges that on one instance he paid a politician $5K to influence a vote- not much money, eh? Well, you might be surprised at how little a Congressman can be bought for.

    To be frank, I have little faith that ANY real lobbying reform will take place. If any reform does occur, I certainly don’t think it will emerge from the GOP. I think any real reform will be in spite of the GOP. My hope is the Democrats will rise to the challenge, however, in a GOP-controlled House and Senate their ability to advance this issue is extremely limited. In addition, the Democrats chronic disorganization on message, strategy and tactics don’t bode well. But we have 2 choices- entrust reform to those that until recently were bellied up to the trough, or go with the opposition, disoranized they may be. I choose the opposition.

    As for Hillary vs. McCain, again, I see no symmetry in Hillary making “plantation” statements and McCain stating he will run House reform. In addition, you seem to assume that I am a Hillary defender. I am not. I hope that Hillary does not win the Democratic nomination in 08. I hope we can find a better candidate.

    While I did not condemn her for making the “plantation” statement, I did not applaud her either. So I’m not sure what you intend to prove by, yes, once again, invoking Hillary.


  23. Gabe (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 2:50 pm

    No, I won’t save the patronizing tone because I’ve been getting it from you all through this discussion. So I’m just returning the favor and you really shouldn’t act surprised when you get it back unless of course, you can dish it out but you can’t take it.

    No, it doesn’t matter when someone gives money to a politician. It happens everyday in campaign contributions. It becomes a problem when the person uses their power to grant a political favor in exchange for that money. You’re confusing receiving money with doing something to earn that money.

    As for the dirty money comment, I would ask you how every politician is supposed to know that? They knew that the money they were receiving was dirty? Granted, most people know the reputation of the person that they’re receiving money from but you expect politicians to look into the finances of every person that hands them money? Senators are required to disclose who gave them money; not where that person got the money from. If you wanna make that change, feel free to make the suggestion to your representative or better yet, you can be sarcastic to Obama and say that you will lead the effort on lobby reform. You seem to have some rather simplistic ideas on how to fix this.

    As for the “hillary vs McCain” argument, you need to take off the glasses again. You’re gonna tell me that Hillary wasn’t belittling the White house and bush with her comments (and I don’t mean just the “plantation” remark. Does the Iran threat ring any bells?)? You really have sipped the kool-aid haven’t you? As to why I brought it up, you might want to reread what was written. You said that I must be confused and I was stating that I was only confused about one thing; why you weren’t answering a simple question. I thank you for your response but I’m still confused how you can come to that conclusion. I think you’re “cherry picking” again.


  24. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 2:58 pm

    OK, look, this is really simple. I don’t trust the GOP to spearhead lobby reform, for the reasons stated above. You believe the GOP is credible on this issue. What is there left to argue about?

    I don’t understand the point you are trying to make regarding Hillary and McCain. Perhaps I lost the thread of your argument somewhere along the way. Please restate your question and I will attempt to reply.


  25. Gabe (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

    On the first point, agree to disagree. nuff said.

    On the second point, it was a matter of contradiction and hypocricy. I think that Hillary has been doing the same thing that you’re accusing McCain of doing. Again, we can agree to disagree but why rehash that all over again.


  26. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 3:50 pm

    Not trying to be obtuse, but are you referring to a specific Hillary-related incident or are you sayig she’s been pandering in general? It’s easier to parse the analogy with specific examples in mind.


  27. A E Hansen (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 4:31 pm

    “Coming from a Bush defender, need I even point out the irony?”

    Actually, you need to point out where I am Bush defender, Bush oppenent, or anything in between. It seems to me that you have assumed quite a bit here.

    If you think Abramoff’s personal donations totalling about $250,000 are siginificant you have not looked into FEC records much. They are pretty fascinating.

    Try it…
    http://www.fecinfo.com/cgi-win/indexhtml.exe?MBF=NAME

    One of my favorites is Haim Saban (the guy you cursed us with the Power Rangers). Here are his contribution for the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections cycles:

    Democratic Candidates:
    06/25/2003 $1,000.00 JOE LIEBERMAN FOR PRESIDENT INC
    05/17/2005 $1,100.00 FRIENDS OF HILLARY
    10/29/2003 $2,000.00 CLARK FOR PRESIDENT INC
    05/25/2005 $2,000.00 FRIENDS OF JOE LIEBERMAN
    05/17/2005 $2,100.00 FRIENDS OF HILLARY
    03/31/2003 $1,000.00 DEAN FOR AMERICA
    04/18/2003 $2,000.00 FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID
    12/24/2003 $2,000.00 FRIENDS OF JANE HARMAN
    06/28/2004 $1,000.00 MARKEY COMMITTEE, THE
    10/27/2003 $2,000.00 EVAN BAYH COMMITTEE
    11/26/2003 $1,000.00 EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT
    05/09/2003 $2,000.00 TOM LANTOS FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
    05/09/2003 $2,000.00 TOM LANTOS FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
    04/18/2003 $2,000.00 FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID
    03/31/2003 $1,000.00 EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT
    03/31/2003 $1,000.00 GEPHARDT FOR PRESIDENT INC.
    06/06/2003 $1,000.00 LEAHY FOR U.S. SENATOR COMMITTEE
    06/30/2003 $1,000.00 GEPHARDT FOR PRESIDENT INC.
    10/27/2003 $2,000.00 EVAN BAYH COMMITTEE
    11/08/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF HILLARY
    07/24/2002 $1,000.00 FEINSTEIN FOR SENATE
    07/24/2002 $1,000.00 FEINSTEIN FOR SENATE
    05/11/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF MAX BAUCUS
    05/11/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF MAX BAUCUS
    04/30/2001 $1,000.00 BERMAN FOR CONGRESS
    06/29/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF MAX CLELAND FOR THE US SENATE INC
    05/14/2001 $1,000.00 CANTWELL 2006
    10/31/2001 $1,000.00 JEAN CARNAHAN FOR MISSOURI COMMITTEE
    12/31/2001 $1,000.00 WELLSTONE FOR SENATE
    11/16/2001 $1,000.00 STRICKLAND FOR COLORADO INC
    08/28/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF RAHM EMANUEL
    05/16/2001 $1,000.00 GEPHARDT IN CONGRESS COMMITTEE
    06/29/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF MAX CLELAND FOR THE US SENATE INC
    09/25/2001 $1,000.00 TIM JOHNSON FOR SOUTH DAKOTA INC
    04/26/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF BARBARA BOXER
    10/11/2001 $1,000.00 FRIENDS OF JANE HARMAN
    06/25/2001 $1,000.00 TIM JOHNSON FOR SOUTH DAKOTA INC
    06/11/2001 $1,000.00 MARKEY FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
    06/11/2001 $1,000.00 MARKEY FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
    09/25/2001 $1,000.00 CITIZENS FOR HARKIN
    06/29/2001 $1,000.00 CITIZENS FOR HARKIN
    03/31/2003 $1,000.00 JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC
    04/21/2001 $1,000.00 BERMAN FOR CONGRESS

    $53,200.00

    Democratic PACs:
    06/27/2001 $5,000.00 DEDICATED AMERICANS FOR THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE PAC(DASHPAC)
    06/27/2001 $5,000.00 DEDICATED AMERICANS FOR THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE PAC(DASHPAC)
    10/01/2001 $5,000.00 PAC TO THE FUTURE
    05/23/2002 $1,000.00 PAC TO THE FUTURE
    04/29/2002 $2,000.00 FUND FOR A BETTER FUTURE
    11/12/2001 $5,000.00 L A PAC

    $23,000.000

    Democratic 527s:
    09/30/2002 $75,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] Democratic Majority 2002 Nonfederal
    06/30/2002 $50,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] Democratic Majority 2002 Nonfederal
    09/30/2002 $10,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] DASHPAC – Nonfederal Account
    09/30/2002 $25,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] National Leadership PAC-Nonfederal
    06/30/2002 $50,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] Daschle Democrats, Inc.
    03/31/2002 $25,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] New American Optimists

    $235,000.000

    Other Democrat:
    02/27/2003 $20,000.00 DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
    06/25/2003 $25,000.00 DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
    06/25/2003 $12,000.00 DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
    01/21/2005 $5,000.00 FRIENDS OF CHAIRMAN MCAULIFFE

    $62,000.00

    Democratic Soft-Money:
    3/29/2002 $100,000.00 DCCCC NON-FEDERAL ACCOUNT #7
    2/27/2002 $25,000.00 DCCCC NON-FEDERAL ACCOUNT #7
    12/21/2001 $150,000.00 DCCCCC NON-FEDERAL ACCOUNT #7
    10/30/2002 $100,000.00 DCCCC NON-FEDERAL ACCOUNT #5
    09/18/2002 $75,000.00 DCCCC NON-FEDERAL ACCOUNT #5
    01/31/2002 $7,000,000.00 DNC – BUILDING FUND
    06/22/2001 $50,000.00 DNC-NON-FEDERAL INDIVIDUAL
    04/5/2001 $50,000.00 DNC-NON-FEDERAL INDIVIDUAL
    10/30/2002 $200,000.00 DNC-NON-FEDERAL INDIVIDUAL
    09/30/2002 $3,000,000.00 DNC-NON-FEDERAL INDIVIDUAL
    09/13/2002 $500,000.00 DSCC/NON-FED UNINCORP ASSOC
    03/26/2001 $100,000.00 DCCCC NON-FEDERAL ACCOUNT #7
    09/20/2002 $500,000.00 DSCC NON-FEDERAL BUILDING FUND
    06/20/2002 $100,000.00 DSCC/NON-FED UNINCORP ASSOC
    12/20/2001 $100,000.00 DSCC/NON-FED UNINCORP ASSOC
    09/13/2002 $80,000.00 DSCC/NON-FED UNINCORP ASSOC

    $12,130,000.00

    Others:
    08/26/2003 $2,000.00 BUSH-CHENEY ’04 (PRIMARY) INC
    03/19/2002 $1,000.00 COLORADO SENATE 2002
    02/06/2001 $5,000.00 NATIONAL CABLE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (NCTA PAC)
    09/09/2004 $5,000.00 BROADCAST MUSIC INC LEGISLATIVE FUND FOR AUTHORS COMPOSERS & PUBLISHERS
    10/16/2002 $20,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] Your Vote Counts 2002-State
    06/30/2001 $25,000.00 [Contribution to a 527 organization] The Coalition for Kids

    I especially like the over $12 million given in soft money before McCain-Feingold went into effect.

    Another fun one to look up is Stephen Bing (you know, the guy that got Elizabeth Hurley pregnant). He also gave millions in soft money just before the law changed….and there are many others out there.

    Now, with that kind of context, perhaps you might understand why I am not so impressed with the siginificance or Abramoff’s individual contributions.


  28. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 4:41 pm

    Is your point that a lot of money is handed out as political contributions? If so, that’s not exactly a news flash.

    My argument was predicated on the illegality of Abramoff’s actions. Your points seem to be predicated on an annoyance factor.

    As far as I can tell:
    – Power Rangers, while obnoxious, are not illegal. Taking money from the creator of Power Rangers is nothing to be ashamed of.

    – The soft money contributions were made, as you point out, before McCain-Feingold banned them. So again, nothing illegal here.

    – Impregnating Elizabeth Hurley is also perfectly legal and nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, most men would probably brag about it. Thus, taking money from Hurley’s baby daddy is nothing to be ashamed of.

    So, thanks for clearing things up, AE. I can see from your list- a list comprised almost exclusively of Democrats- that you are not partisan at all.


  29. Gabe (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 4:42 pm

    Just so there’s no confusion:

    Senator Clinton said:
    “I believe that we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations,”

    “When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I’m talking about,”

    These are just a couple examples of her rhetoric lately. She points fingers and accuses people of things in order to do political posturing for 2008. You accuse McCain of doing the same thing at the expense of Obama. Hillary did it at the expense of the White House and the GOP. I’m not denying that McCain may have done that but you’re gonna tell me that Hillary didn’t make the statements above to do the same thing? Especially the “plantation” remark. You know she was pandering to the crowd and that she was trying to get a rise out of them.


  30. nikkos (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 5:02 pm

    OK, thanks for the clarification.

    There’s a real fine line between politics and pandering. Where is the line? I don’t know.

    The first place I start is to evaluate the truth of any given statement.

    Have we “lost critical time” due to the Bush administration’s negotiating tactics and policies? It’s hard to say, although I think you could make the case that we lost time because we were focused elsewhere.

    Is it true that the Bush administration has “downplayed threats and outsourced negotiations?”

    It does seem as though Iran pretty much fell off the radar as we set our crosshairs on Iraq, but was the threat “downplayed?” if anything, it seems as though the Bush admin has emphasized the threat- Bush did lump Iran into the “axis of evil,” afterall.

    It is true that the U.S. is not currently enagaged in face-to-face negotiations with Iran, preferring to let our Eurpoean allies handle the talking. Is it then fair to call this “outsourcing?”

    FINAL SCORE: Pandering.

    Her second statement: “When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I’m talking about.”

    Speaking to a largely black audience, Hillary compares the House to a plantation. On a plantation, there is one master and all must be obedient to the mater’s wishes. Republicans in Congress are slavishly following the GOP party line, no mtter where it leads them. There has been precious little opposition to Bush from within his own party until the last, say 6-12 months, and even that opposition is pretty weak. At the end of the day, it does seem as though GOP Congressmen are devoted to doing the master’s bidding.

    Now, the term plantation is such a loaded term that it’s easy to get bogged down right there. But, reflect upon whom she was speaking to. If anyone in America can take umbrage at the use of the word plantation, it is African Americans. Yet the audience applauded wildly. They DID know “what she’s talking about.”

    In this case, I would say her statement is accurate- the House, inmany ways, is run like a plantation. The word choice, clearly, was meant to get attention. Frankly, I think a lot of the anger this statement aroused on the right has more to do with the fact that Republicans know they could never speak this way to a black audience, and it drives them crazy.

    FINAL SCORE: Not pandering.

    So, it’s a split decision.


  31. A E Hansen (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 5:08 pm

    My point Nikkos is that your focusing on Abramoff’s personal contributions is completely missing the story.

    In a time where it takes $8.5 million to win a Senate seat and nearly $2 million a house seat it is absurd to claim that somehow $260k spread out over a few election cycles could buy anyone influence, especially of the sort attributed to Abramoff. $260k would make Abramoff such a small fish compared to other people’s individual contributions (as illustrated by Mr. Saban) that this whole scandal would be silly if that was what it were about.

    You will not seem to acknowledge that in the area of camapign finance the scandal is mostly about the millions in political donations by his clients, and that these donations went to both parties in significant amounts. This may be a mostly Republican scandal, but it is not the strictly Republican scandal you are trying to portray.


  32. A E Hansen (unregistered) on February 8th, 2006 @ 7:33 pm

    btw – Is there a post on the way about City Clerk James Laski resigning? Or, is the Chicago Metroblog the wrong venue for a discussion about corruption in the city’s government?


  33. Gabe (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 9:59 am

    Just to tip the score card, here’s another example:

    “Two weeks ago, [White House political director] Karl Rove … was telling the National Republican Committee ‘Here’s your game plan, folks, here’s how you’re gonna win — we’re gonna win by getting everybody scared again,'” Clinton said. “This crowd ‘All we’ve got is fear and we are going to keep playing the fear card.'”


  34. nikkos (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 12:27 pm

    That is a true statement- the Bush administration uses fear as its main selling point. Therefore, I don’t consider it pandering.


  35. Gabe (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 12:38 pm

    I disagree but I think this goes back to which side of the fence you sit on. Isn’t the war on terror real? Did we or did we not get attacked on 9/11?


  36. nikkos (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 12:49 pm

    Yes, we can disagree on this but Gabe, I have to tell you, no matter what side of the fence you are sitting on it’s painfully clear that in the absence of any skill at governing, the Bush administration has relied instead on fear: of mushroom clouds, of shoe bombers, of anthrax, of ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda and on and on and on. Remember the terror alert system? remember when it used to go up a notch every time Bush was in a political pickle?

    “Isn’t the war on terror real?”

    This is probably the best question you have ever asked in our many blog debates.

    That question could be- and probably should be- the focus of a dissertation level inquiry. Really, it cuts to the heart of our current state of affairs. Of course, it depends on how you define “real.”

    But I’ll answer your question with a question: In a “real” War on Terror, would we invade a country that was in no significant way associated with the terrorists that attacked us on 9.11?

    “Did we or did we not get attacked on 9/11?”

    Yes, we were attacked on 9.11. However, are we to alter our Constitution, our laws, the entire architecture of our society because of it? Hell no. And yet, the Bush administration, whenever it wants to change the subject, simply throws “9/11” into the conversation. They seek to change our laws and the basic, essential nature of our liberties because of 9.11. Or, at the very least, the seek to justify our shrinking civil liberties because of 9.11. Who would have ever thought a ragtag group of terrorists could so fully terrorize the U.S.? How much are we going to alter our country in response to this one event?


  37. Danny Doom (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 1:09 pm

    After 9/11 the Bush administration told us to go shopping. They said that we should live our lives and by doing this we will not let the terrorists win.

    But all of their actions since, both covert and otherwise, appear to have done just that. By changing or creating laws (Patriot Act) that undermine civil liberties and secretly spying on citizens that undermines the Constitution, and invading a country not related to 9/11, and having spokespeople for the White House (Ari Fleischer) suggest what is proper and improper to speak about (Bill Maher, for one) and consistently attacking anyone who speaks out about their operations negatively (Richard Clarke, Wilson-Plame), and by drawing lines that put you either on the side of the administration or the terrorists, well, shit, that doesn’t sound at all like a war on terror, it sounds like a war against the American people.

    That is, the ones who disagree with Bushco. The one-time 48% of voters who have now become the majority of this country, consistently and for most of this second term, disapproving of the job Bush is doing.

    Wouldn’t the terrorists be pleased with the way we have changed since 9/11?


  38. nikkos (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 1:22 pm

    Further reading:

    Ridge reveals clashes on alerts
    By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
    WASHINGTON — The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says.

    “More often than not we were the least inclined to raise it,” Ridge told reporters. “Sometimes we disagreed with the intelligence assessment. Sometimes we thought even if the intelligence was good, you don’t necessarily put the country on (alert). … There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it, and we said, ‘For that?'”

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm

    TRANSLATION: The Director of Homeland Security did not think there was ample evidence or reason to raise the terror threat level. However, he was frequently overruled by Bush and his staff.


  39. Danny Doom (unregistered) on February 9th, 2006 @ 1:29 pm

    Drilling for fear makes the job simple
    born on third, thinks he got a triple…

    – EV


  40. Gabe (unregistered) on February 10th, 2006 @ 5:27 pm

    I’m glad more people joined in. I was starting to get bored with this conversation. The Nikkos network has arrived! :)

    “But I’ll answer your question with a question: In a “real” War on Terror, would we invade a country that was in no significant way associated with the terrorists that attacked us on 9.11?”

    They are more related than I think you realize but I understand your misguided point. Let me respond to your question with another question: Where would you rather have a terrorist attack? Here in the U.S. against unarmed civilians or in another country where our forces are paid and armed to deal with such threats?

    “Yes, we were attacked on 9.11. However, are we to alter our Constitution, our laws, the entire architecture of our society because of it?”
    I don’t think that the architecture needs to be changed but I do agree that some changes need to be done in order to prevent this from happening again. Did we lose some civil liberties during WW2? yes. Did we lose some during other wars? yes. How many were restored once it was over? All of them. So your point doesn’t hold up given the examples of history. As to how much we’ll alter them, ‘m not sure that I can answer that because I don’t sit in the big chair and make the decisions for this country (like some armchair presidents). I have one vote and I try to cast that vote the best way that I can. Does it mean that forever we’ll lose some of our civil liberties? I seriously doubt it. Do I care if they listen to my conversation with Aunt Mildred? Hell no. They can even listen to me have phone sex with my wife for all I care. So let them tap away!



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