Denny Takes A Dump

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Just in case you missed this little gem from Hastert’s press conference in response to the Foley scandal:

“What we need to do is start talking about the issues.

We have a great economy. It’s because of Republican tax cuts and Republican handling of the economy, of holding the line on spending.

We have addressed the war on terror. We’ve done that continually over the last five years, and today we have a pretty safe America.

And, you know, a lot of people wanted us to address the issue about the border, and we did exactly that.

And, you know, last Friday, we culminated in appropriations that did fix the border.

So, you know, we have a good story to tell.

Our friends on the other side of the aisle really don’t have a story to tell. And maybe they’re resolving to another way to — to — another political tactic.”

Denny Hastert, 10.05.06

Cross-posted to my friends call me nikkos

Previous mocking of Hastert by yours truly: here, here and here.

16 Comments so far

  1. Marty Gleason (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 11:20 am

    The issues? The issues? This coming from the Leadership behind Swift boating?

    I have an issue. I take issue with an individual who says they take responsibility for an event that involves inappropriate sexual behaviors with a child and then SPINS it so it appears the opposition party is politicizing it. Even Baryshnikov cannot take responsibility and spin at the same time!


  2. nikkos (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 11:23 am

    In all fairness, Denny said the GOP has made America safer, not America’s CHILDREN safer.


  3. K. (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 1:20 pm

    Oh. Denny wants ISSUES. Ok, I have a few ISSUES.

    -The handling of Hurricane Katrina. I’m not okay with that, can we discuss that issue? And the fact that the region is still living under Third World conditions?

    -The war in Iraq. The leadership of this nation still refuses to acknowledge that the country is ALREADY in a state of civil war, and as far as I can tell from major news sources, we have no strategy for the here and now, much less an exit strategy.

    -Iran looks to be building a nuclear bomb, and the international community has not been successful in dissuading them. What are our plans from here?

    -North Korea is testing nukes. What are our plans there? Do we have any?

    -The president of Venezuela stood up at the UN and openly mocked the president of the United States, and our reputation is so very horrible, he was met with applause and laughter. What are we doing to repair our reputation in the international community?

    -Genocide in Sudan. A very difficult, tricky issue, one we could easily worsen, as we have learned from past military action. If we do not feel that sending troops in is the solution, what DO we think is the best course of action at this time?

    So, yeah, Denny, I would LOVE to talk about the issues. Can we start with those?


  4. nikkos (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 1:24 pm

    Well said K!


  5. JoJo (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 12:29 pm

    Marty-

    So far as we know, Foley did nothing illegal. It may have been weird, but it was not illegal, and he stepped down from office, which is what he should have done. Couple questions – where was the outrage from the left when BJ Clinton was shoving cigars here and there and getting blown while he was supposed to be conducting presidential business? Where was the outrage when Gerry Studds took a young male page to a foreign country in order to have legal sex? In addition to those points, please note that neither Democrat resigned in either case, and in Studds case, ran and won elections five more times. Notice that the Republican took responsibility, the Democrats did not.

    K-

    The handling of Hurricane Katrina? Yawn… These people had atleast a week to evacuate and chose not to. That is a local issue, first and foremost. Third world conditions? New Orleans is and has always been run by Democrats – it should be Utopia! The fact that it’s not should get the wheels moving about possible reasons…Also, have you checked out neighboring areas, such as Mississippi? They’re doing better, wonder why…

    I’ll agree that Iraq is messy, but I disagree when people say there is no exit strategy. It has been said over and over and over again, that when the Iraqis can defend themselves, we will leave. How is that not an exit strategy?

    As for Iran and North Korea, remember – the United States is not allowed to do anything unless the international community supports it, remember? That is a main Democratic talking point. If we did something on our own, we would be taking part in “go-it-alone-cowboy-diplomacy” and that’s just wrong!

    Chavez’ comments were met with laughter because the UN is a useless group full of dictators. Have you checked out some of the countries on the UN Human Rights Commission lately? How about these beacons of human rights – China, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

    Sudan – once again, it would be inconsiderate of the US to intervene in Darfur without the blessing of the international community. Let’s see how useful the UN is at doing its job.


  6. nikkos (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 12:42 pm

    JoJo,

    Allow me to be the first to say “go fuck yourself.”

    Katrina, one of the worst natural disaters in U.S. history elicits from you nothing more than a “Yawn.” I would like to see you yawn in the face of a victim of this disaster. You’d be lucky to be able to yawn again.

    Iraq, a war of choice in which up to 650,000 Iraqis may be dead as a result of our arrogance, is simply “messy” according to you.

    Iraq is already lost- it is simply now a matter of figuring out how we get the fuck out of there. While the line “we’ll stand down as they stand up” may be loosely construed as a strategy (sounds to be more like a slogan) it is not a WINNING strategy.

    It is nice to hear from a representative of the always-shrinking percentage of Americans (and I use that term in reference to you advisedly) tat support the war in Iraq…all 20 some odd percent of you.

    Re: Iran and DPRK, please explain how President Bush’s approach to either or both countries has been successful. I suppose you consider the DPRK’s entry into the nuclear club a success.

    I was pleased to see that you support Chavez’s openly mocking and derisive comments regarding your President.

    If you could extract your head from your ass for just the briefest of moments, you would note that K ws posing a question about what to do in Darfur, not proposing a course of action.

    Now if you’ll exucse me Marty, K and I are stepping into our blogging time travel machine so we can go back to the 90’s and express our outrage appropriately. While we’re at it, we’re gonna go back to Chappaquiddick and we might even pay a visit to dear old Neville Chamberlain.


  7. JoJo (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 3:23 pm

    Who keeps deleting my comments?

    I’ve had about 10 deleted now.


  8. nikkos (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 3:28 pm

    I’m sure we missed out on some real insights JoJo.


  9. JoJo (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 3:31 pm

    Nikkos-

    Why did you remove my comments?


  10. JoJo (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 3:33 pm

    Nikkos, always the paragon of tolerance, responds to my post (where I insulted no one) in typical Nikkosian fashion, spewing insults. Congratulations on impressing everyone by showing how tough you are and that you can use the f-word. Cool, dude!

    I wasn’t yawning at Hurricane Katrina, I was yawning at K’s use of the government response to paint Republicans in a negative light. When it comes down to it, that was mostly a failure at the local level (Democrats). I was yawning because K’s point was so typical and has been beaten to death. If you want to have a socialist-can’t-do-anything-without-the-government mindset, that’s your own problem, but it doesn’t negate the fact that the local officials were in charge.

    ‘We’ll stand down as they stand up’ may not be your approved strategy, but it is a strategy nonetheless, and that was my point. Thanks for agreeing with me and disagreeing with K.

    Iran and DPRK – how could Bush possibly have a successful approach? The international community isn’t on board yet!

    Nowhere in my post did I say I supported Chavez’ remarks. I’m sure that fact won’t cause you to acknowledge your misstatement or attempt to point out where I said that. As DDoom said, Fair and Balanced, indeed!

    According to liberals during the Clinton era, the personal sex life of a politician shouldn’t matter. Why is it different now?


  11. nikkos (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 4:14 pm

    All that bellyaching for that bullshit comment?


  12. JoJo (unregistered) on October 16th, 2006 @ 8:25 am

    Can I first mention the fact that you deleting my comments about 10 times is PATHETIC. If there was censorship of any kind directed against you it would be a conspiracy by Halliburton in order to help King George’s cronies retain their culture of corruption while torturing freedom-fighting, religion-of-peace following moderates. You want to sit there and insult people and debate, but when someone proves you to be wrong, just delete their comments. ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC. Why don’t you try taking your balls out of your purse Nikkos?

    You call my comments bulls*%t. Can you back up your lies about me saying I supported Chavez’ remarks? What about my point that Bill Clinton’s sex life shouldn’t interfere with his political life, but it should when the offender is a Republican.


  13. nikkos (unregistered) on October 16th, 2006 @ 12:32 pm

    Dude, take a hint- your opinion is worth less than nothing here.


  14. Danny Doom (unregistered) on October 16th, 2006 @ 12:53 pm

    Just want to add my two cents to this: I completely disagree with deleting anyone’s comments on this site. I cannot and will not defend it. All opinions are welcome, as far as I’m concerned.


  15. JoJo (unregistered) on October 16th, 2006 @ 1:05 pm

    Kudos to D Doom for backing free speech.

    Anyone associated with this blog should be embarrassed by Nikkos’ dictatorial suppression of speech. What a hypocrite.


  16. nikkos (unregistered) on October 19th, 2006 @ 9:57 am

    Act Like a Troll, Get Rolled Like a Troll: The Blog Equivalent Of “No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service”

    Why did I delete JoJo’s comments on this post?

    Because, like all of JoJo’s comments, and the comments of all trolls, they are off-topic, irrelevant, unsupported by fact, figure, reason, sources or references and actually serve to stifle real debate.

    I have “debated” with JoJo for some time now- far too long some tell me- and I have come to the conclusion that he is a troll, and as such, in my opinion, is not welcome to comment. Any future comments will be not be deleted, however, I will not respond to them either.

    I don’t know that Metroblogging has any official policy, but it is common practice on the Internet to identify and ban trolls when they become particularly bothersome and disruptive.

    It is beyond argument that I have displayed an enormous amount of patience with JoJo- taking his comments seriously, or as seriously as I can, and attempting to respond in a substantive manner no matter how outlandish his remarks. Frankly, my patience is over.

    I don’t think that is a failing on my part- it’s simply a recognition that I have debated this person to the point that I realize it is a complete and utter waste of time. He is not interested in any one else’s point of view- he is only interested in promoting his own narrow, ideologically confused, historically inaccurate and ultimately un-American point of view.

    What is a troll? Is JoJo a troll?

    A troll is an individual that infests an internet message board, chat room or blog that consistently attempts to derail the conversation by going off-topic in favor of his or her own pet topics.

    The result is often a stifling of genuine debate as thoughtful commenters give up when they realize they are debating with a jackass that has not a shred of intellectual honesty; a commenter that will take bits and pieces of their statements and intentionally misconstrue them for his own rhetorical benefit; a commenter that will frequently invite his opponents to simply “leave the country if you hate it so much”; a commenter that seems to be arguing against some straw man classic crazy liberal rather than taking the time or thought to evaluate other people’s points of view.

    Ask yourself, are JoJo’s comments on this post- originally a discussion of Denny Hastert’s performance in handling the Foley matter, at all on topic? The answer is quite clearly no.

    Other common troll behavior is to utilize multiple screen names. I believe, although I could not prove it in court, that “JoJo” is in fact the same individual that used to comment on this site under the screen names “Ben” and “Todd.”

    Through the admin tool of this website I can look at comments, in chronological order, listed by IP address. I can then take the IP address and perform a reverse IP lookup on the web. In JoJo’s case, one finds that a person named “Ben”- whom has the same exact and quite specific IP address as “JoJo”- commented for some time until I completely destroyed his pathetic arguments and rhetorically shamed him to the point where he felt he must change his handle.

    Then, a person calling himself “Todd,” using the same IP and suspiciously similarly stupid arguments appeared in the comments, only to be once again rhetorically demolished and shamed out of existence.

    Then a commenter began using the name “JoJo”- again, same IP, same ideological M.O. The IP leads back to a very specific location (as opposed to say, the AOL servers in Virginia which serve millions). I will not say where because even if I have zero respect for Ben/Todd/JoJo’s opinion, I do have a little respect for his privacy.

    JoJo, I freely admit I deleted your comments. Do you deny that you are “Ben” and “Todd?”

    But nikkos, shouldn’t anyone be welcome to comment here at Metroblogging Chicago? Wouldn’t it be un-American to do otherwise?

    I used to think so, and I used to conclude particularly fierce debates with other commenters by thanking them for their comments and telling them they were welcome to debate, no matter how insane I found their rhetoric.

    But these days I feel more like the shop owner that has the “no shirt, no shoes, no service” sign in the door: if you are going to ruin the debate for everyone else because you come incorrect with nothing but assertions and in many cases insults, then you are not welcome, anymore than a shirtless barefoot hillbilly is welcome at the corner grocery; any more than the overserved drunk is welcome at a bar; any more than a loudmouth is welcome in a library.

    If your presence is disruptive, why should I allow it to continue?

    If your comments add nothing to anyone’s understanding of the topic at hand, why should I allow them?

    If one’s constant presence in the comments actually dissuades others from participating in the discussion, why should I continue to allow those comments?

    I have come to the conclusion that I should not.

    In closing, I would suggest to JoJo and other trolls of his ilk that if you feel you have something to say, if you feel that your opinion is so fucking important, then do what the rest of us do and START YOUR OWN BLOG rather than swinging from my nutsack and taking advantage of my hard earned traffic to trumpet your nonsense. YOU do the hard, thankless work of responding to every comment, researching every fact, writing every post etc. and THEN perhaps you will be in a position to criticize.

    Until then, you can kiss my ass.



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