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Freedom?
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I think more conservative readers need to give us the answers.
Yes, my right wing sparring partners that were so vocal just a few weeks ago have been conspicuously silent on this post and other recent posts critical of the Bush Administration.
Hmmm, I wonder why that might be?
Are you playing the role of Cindy Sheehan?
Give me a break – If you follow politics, you know the answer to the question.
It’s pathetic that so many liberals were having a countdown to the 2,000th death.
No, I don’t know why we are there. We have been given 29 reasons, none of which seem to be the truth.
You accuse me of “playing the role” of Cindy Sheehan. Her question was a simple one too: “For what noble cause did my son die?” it was never answered.
Can you explain to me why we are there?
Yes, I can
That would be a compelling narrative if only it were true. Have you been asleep since March 2003?
To argue each and every point you have made would be an absurd waste of time, since most of them have been refuted elsewhere on this blog, as well as elesewhere in the news media.
The truth is that the Bush administratiuon launched an illegal and immoral war based on lies for reasons that most Americans do not, and cannot, understand.
The truth is that Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9.11.
Therefore, we attacked a country, which I agree was run by a bad man, but we did not attack the people that attacked us. We should have stayed in Afghansitan and finished the job there. Anyone remember Afghanistan?
The truth is that in the process of “liberating” Iraqis, we’re killing them by the scores.
The truth is that the more civilians we kill, the omre terrorists we create. And aren;t terrorists what we were afraid of in the first place?
The truth is we have allowed the Iraqis to write a Consitution which enshrines Isalm as “the” (not “a”) source of the law- thus ensuring that Iraqi women will have EVEN FEWER rights tan they did under Hussein.
The truth is we have created a failed state with ties to Iran, and we have killed over 2,000 Americans and countless Iraqis in doing so. Your assertion that liberals were “holding their breath” seems to me to imply that we somehow relished that 2,000th KIA. We did not. However, humans have an affinity for round numbers (remeber Y2K?) as they tend to, for some reason, represent something to us. We’ll be sure to time our next outrage to coincide with the 2,947 death, which we’re creeping up on ever so quickly. Ever wonder how we lost 58,000 Americans in Vietnam? Partly because there weren’t enough people protesting when we lost the 500th soldier.
While the goal of liberation is laudable, it is not the bill of goods the American people were sold. How many Americans do you think would have supported an invasion of Iraq based simply on liberating Iraqis? Not many.
No, what motivated Americans is the nightmare scenario you describe above- except Bush and Co. ruthlessly, intentionally and cynically manipulated this fear in order to attack Iraq. there were no WMDs. Bush and Co. knew it. Yet, they claimed to have iron-clad knowledge and used this to take our country to war.
Next?
I understand your reluctance to address all of my points. That
Look at yourself ben, this is what your argument in favor of war has been reduced to:
-Citing “Newsmax” as a source? Newsmax is a right-wing rag, and not a source for facts as most people know them. If Newsmax said the sky was blue I’d send someone out to double check.
-Willfully misreading my statements to imply that I am suggesting US troops killed each other? No, when I say “we” I mean the US- in our stupidity, we have killed countless civilians and sent over 2,000 troops to die for no apparent reason.
– However it must be pointed out that in certain cases American troops have in deed committed fratricide- most notably in the case of the 101st Airborne soldier who killed his comrades while still in Kuwait. (He rolled grenades into their tents and then opened fire on them as they came out)
-“Remember, it
What news source do you trust? Probably the NY Times, right? Newsweek? Or maybe CBS? Can you show me examples of when NewsMax has lied? Because I can show you examples of many leading leftist media outlets who have been caught in the act.
I didn’t misread you’re statement. Maybe you mistyped it, but it says in plain English:
The truth is we have created a failed state with ties to Iran, and we have killed over 2,000 Americans and countless Iraqis in doing so.
Last time I checked, it’s the terrorists who are killing the American troops.
No, believing intelligence from so many different agencies doesn’t make you stupid. It makes you responsible. What would you prefer that political leaders consult – a ouija board?
The whole “we authorized to use force as a last resort” line is so worn out. That’s just Democrats trying to backpedal and not admit that they fully supported the war.
I’m glad you brought up the NYT, since Judy Miller was a pawn and willing conduit of bullshit WMD hype in the runup to the war. Thanks for making my point for me.
Let’s say for the sake of argument that Democrats supported the war, based on the intelligence they were provided by the administration. If it turns out- as is widely suspected- that the itelligence itself was cooked, manipulated and hyped by the Bush administration to justify war, then, when this becomes clear, is it not only rational to change one’s mind?
I’m sure you will equate this to weakness, “flip flops”, lack of will or “moral clarity.”
No, when the facts change, rational and reasonable people change their minds. They do not continue blithely on, “staying the course.”
To repeat the same actions over and over and to expect a different result is the definition of incompetence.
I’m not even going to continue to debate your troll-like suggestion that I somehow think we kill our own troops. Take your ignorant, jingoistic ass to my post titled “Veteran’s Day” and pay your respects instead.
No, I didn’t make your point for you, captain. Your point was that NewsMax was an unreliable source. I challenged you to prove me wrong (which you didn’t do) and I gave examples of liberal media outlets that have been caught being unreliable. Congratulations!
The majority of Democrats voted for the war and now don’t support it because they can score some political points. Take for example, John Kerry. He was for the war, then against the war, then for the war – all depending on which way the political winds were blowing. That’s not called leadership, it’s called a lack of gonads.
As for your comment about killing the troops, I’m not making it up. It’s what you said. Honestly, I don’t think you believe that, but it is what you said. Maybe you mistyped. The problem is that you are unable to admit that you make mistakes.
Wow. Jingoistic ass…I’m surprised it took you so long to resort to name calling. I’m impressed.
What say you pal?
(Hey Nikkos, just curious, but why was my comment deleted from the blog the first time I wrote it?)
Setting arguments aside for a moment, Ben, I do not know why your comment was deleted. I certainly did not delete it. Sometimes software is wonky I guess. Despite our differences of opinion, your comments are welcome here.
Cool.
Do you not want to address any of the comments from my previous post?